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Student Senate Is Potential Power
For Expression Of Campus Opinion

The Outside World

Carl Petersen
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Morton L. Linder
Norman A. Schorr
Dennis Flanagan
John N. Canavan
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NIGHT EDITOR: RICHARD HARMEL
The editorials published in The Michigan
Daily are written by members of The Daily
staff and represent the views of the writers
only.
Child Labor
Still Problem . .
HE CONGRESS shall have power
.to limit, regulate, and prohibit the
labor of persons under eighteen years of age.
Thus reads the text of the Child Labor Amend-
ment, submitted by Congress to the states in
1924, and still unratified by them after fifteen
years.
It is true that improvements in the child
labor situation have taken place since 1924.
Many of the criminal practices of hiring young
children in mines and factories are now pro-
hibited by state laws. Employment in industries
engaged in interstate commerce is now limited
to persons sixteen years old or above. State
laws on the subject have generally improved.
But people who like to believe that these mea-
sures have solved the situation fail to realize
that there still exist vast areas of child employ-
ment, just as detrimental to children as work
in mines and factories, which are still un-
touched by legislation, either federal or state.
In the fields of agriculture, industrial service
work, and newspaper circulation approximately
one million children under sixteen years of age
are still employed, estimates of the National
Child Labor Committee and other public and
private organizations reveal.
THERE IS hardly any state regulation of the
half million children employed in agricul-
ture, the Child Labor Committee reports. And
this figure does not include the great number
of children on farms who work without remu-
neration whatsoever either in money or kind.
In the field of intra-state employment thirty-
six states have regulation that only extends
to persons of fourteen years or less, and the
regulation in many cases is not comprehensive
in substance or extent. At present only twenty
states have laws regulating the employment of
children in the sale and distribution of news-
papers.
Furthermore the majority of America's 500,000
newsboys are victims of the "little merchant
system" by which they are not classified as em-
ployes though their labor is still under the con-
trol of the employer. Because of the classifica-
tion they are not eligible in numerous states
for benefits of Workmens' Compensation Acts.
Thirty states have practically no prohibition of
dangerous employment for minors of sixteen
and seventeen years. In these states a boy or
girl, regardless of his immaturity, is free to
enter any occupation regardless of its hazards.
TWENTY-EIGHT states have ratified the child
labor amendment, over 20 of them in the
last ten years. But the driving force behind
this commendable trend is subsiding as people
feel the problem is solved. But such is far from
the truth. With nearly a million children under
17 years and well over a million boys and girls
of 16 and 17 employed, it is obvious that there
is still a child labor problem of large magnitude.
When we realize that there is no federal pro-
tection for these children and that the great
majority are employed in occupations which
are unregulated, or only inadequately regulated
by state laws, it is clear that the Child Labor
Amendment is still needed. We should pass
this amendment and wipe a sordid blot off the
history of American life.
- Robert Speckhard

(Editor's Note) The following article continues a
surmary history of the Student Senate. This is
the second of the articles.
By WILLIAM. B. ELMER
THE SENATE was formed from plans promul-
gated just two years ago this month by a
group of faculty and students interested in
creating a body which could be called repre-
Spoq au Tsij ;v V uouido uapngs ;o aAtl1uas
was to consider merely national and interna-
tional affairs but has subsequently changed to
place greater emphasis on local and campus
activities and problems.
Again in May, 1938, the Senate felt that there
was a spoilation of the traditional merit
system of appointing editors on The Daily, and
called for the Board in Control of Student Pub-
lications to reconsider its recent appointments
in the light of past practice. In April, '38, the
Senate housing committee held several open
hearings on the housing question which were
attended by many local landladies, facultymen,
real estate agents, townspeople and interested
students. After the investigation, results were
sent to Lansing, to the local jurisdictional unit
of the PWA and were published in The Daily
and elsewhere. The essence of the results was
that low-cost dormitories were necessary and
that it would be highly desirable for the Univer-
sity to grade all rooming houses on a stratified
standard system, and that certain minimum
standards of lighting, heating and other con-
ditions should be enforced by the University.
SUPPORT of local labor unions in their con-
flicts with violators of State labor laws was
was also on the list of Senate activities for
1938. In the Fall term of 1938-39, the Senate
sponsored talks by the leading State candidates
for governor, lieutenant governor and other of-
fices here at the Union. Almost the entire
fices here at the Union. Almost the entire Demo-
cratic slate appeared, the honorable Frank Mur-
phy, now U. S. Supreme Court Justice, Tucker
the Socialist candidate for governor, and other
representatives of the several parties. At the
same time, the Senate sent one of its highly-
criticized telegrams to Washington, condemning
the action of the Dies Committee and the acti-
vities of Mayor Frank Hague of Jersey City.
In November, '38, the Senate sponsored a
campus-wide petition in support of a four-day
Thanksgiving holiday. Thereafter followed a
series of actions, topped perhaps by the resolu-
tion early in the Spring of 1939, that subsidiza-
tion should be practiced openly or not at all,
in which the Senate had the wholehearted con-
currence of the M Club.
Immediately before the regular Spring elec-
tion of the Senate in 1939, the Republican party
announced that Harry Kipke would be their
nominee for University regent. The Senate,
basing its action on investigation, recommended
to the student body and to the citizens of the
State, that Kipke should not be elected. Al-
though the student body showed itself to be
entirely in accord with the Senate on this point
as a campus se'aw vote proved, the Senate re-
ceived some unfavorable digs, and from then
on devoted its time mainly to student affairs.
ABOUT this time, the Senate received the
power to take over the convocation of the
annual Spring Parley, and any other Parleys
they might see fit to convene. In the summer
session of 1939, they held their first and also
the University's first Summer Parley. In De-
cember, 1939, the first Winter Parley was held,
on the subject of "War and Peace," under the
auspices of the Senate. And now, the Senate
has made the initial plans for the holding of
the tenth annual Spring Parley on April 19,
20 and 21. In addition to working on the Spring
Parley, the Senate is at present engaged in a
vocational help scheme, an orientation program
for freshmen, an investigation on the cleaning
and dyeing businesses in Ann Arbor, and an
investigation of the lighting in the libraries.
That, in brief, is the history of the Student
Senate of the University of Michigan. It has
accomplished a lot of worth while things, and
it can accomplish a lot more-but the Senate
itself, along with members of the faculty and
student body, feels that it has grown into some-
Tutoring For
Final Exams . .

ALONG about the last of January
and the last of May the bulletin
boards on campus blossom forth with many
scholarly looking index cards advertising the
services of professional tutors. There is a land-
office business in intellectual assistance when
students come face to face with final examina-
tions.
The tutorial plan instituted this week by Con-
gress, independent men's organization, will prob-
ably have to face this problem of desperate
last-minute crammers. It is not for this purpose,
however, that the program has been established.
Congress is giving fair warning that those who
are finding some course troublesome had better
get on the bandwagon early.
As expressed by Prof. Arthur J. Van Duren,
academic counselor, the aim of the plan is
chiefly to help those students who fall behind
in their studies because of illness or outside
work, or those who are merely confused in the
fundamentals of their subjects. It is intend!
to serve '.throughout the semester instead of
during -the last two weeks.
The set-up of the plan is this: approximately
50 students have been recruited from the ranks
of Phi Eta Sigma and Tau Beta Pi, literary and
engineering school honor fraternities, to serve
as tutors. Each is willing to give several hours

thing quite different from what it was originally
set up to be, and should therefore be revamped
so as to provide for more continuity of student
interest.
Some 2,000 students have taken part in the
semi-annual elections of the Senate, but it con-
siders this only a fair showing of interest, and
moreover, desires to have a more active interest
the year-round, rather than just once each
semester. It also feels that it could be a more
functional body if it had certain specific powers
and duties. In short, it sees in itself a potential
coordinating body of all the organizations on
campus, more especially in the line of student
expression. But the latter is only possible if
there is a definite bond between the Senate and
the various activities bodies representing the
many phases of student life.
T HE coming Parley will consider in some de-
tail, the possibility of reorganization of the
Senate, as well as discussion of other forms of
student government. Members of the Senate
have already presented several proposals for
the Parley, and although it is not certain at
present just what will be the general theme of
the Parley, student government is almost sure
to be included in the panel discussions.
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THE silence which greeted Gulliver's column on
ghostwriting was deafening; he is therefore
encouraged to go on with this survey of the
situation in American culture. Y. G. has all sorts
of dandy notions about ghostwriting, but he's
going to give them up now in order to be able
to blow off about the Metropolitan Opera.
A good many students on campus have become
vitally interested in the growth of our indigenous
culture, partly as a result of Mr. Louis Unter-
meyer-s talks. What better example have we
Americans than the Metropolitan. Opera? If
you're not convinced, tune in any Saturday after-
noon. You can hear operas in French, German
and Italian. But, as the signs on the Montrea
restaurants say, English is spoken here too.
The English is handled by that cultured gen-
tleman, Mr. Milton Cross. Golly, is he cultured!
His French is delicate and precise, his German
is thunderous and resonant, and his Italian-
ah, his Italian! But when he begins talking in
English to the yokels, his voice gets like a soft-
boiled egg. And why? Because Mr. Cross is
currently engaged in a campaign to get one
million Americans to kick through with a buck
apiece for the Met. It seems th t the Opera
needs a million dollars in order t keep going.
We aren't going to let the Opera down, now are
we? asks Mr. Cross.
SOthere's a campaign going on now, a cam-
paign which makes Mr. Hoover's Finnish
Drive look like small potatoes. The Four Hun-
dred are really turning on the heat. Mr. Cross
introduces Mrs. August Belmont, who announces
(she's pretty cultured too, probably) that so
far forty-four states have sent in money. "Where
is Arizona? Come on, Arizona!" You sit there
tensely, waiting for a voice to say, "I'm from
Arizona., and here's my dollar!" Cheers, gracious
thanks from Mrs. Belmont. But if you tune in
the next week, you'll discover that Arizona hs
responded. But where is Utah? "Utah, we
haven't heard from you. Come on, Utah!"
That sort of thing palls after awhile; so they
have to dream up a new scheme (Guliver would
give the laces off his shoes to know what agency
is responsible for the publicity). First thing
you know, they have one of these guys with a
pfortable microphone wandering around the
house between acts and snagging innocent
operagoers. "Mr. Schulz, you go to the opera
regularly?" "Like clockwork. Haven't missed
a Saturday show since July, 1883." "That's a
very fine record, Mr. Schulz. And have you sent
in your dollar yet to the Fund?" "Why, I-"
"Thank you very much, Mr. Schulz."
Then you go backstage to the dressing rooms
of the stars. Here is Signor Primo Carbino.
"The Metropoleytan is-a the artist's dream.
By all means, send-a your dollar in." "How
would you rate the Met next to La Scala, Signor
Carbino?" "La Scala? Phooey." All of which
is, you've got to admit, pretty impressive. Espe-
cially when the lady singers go on the air with
the sex-appeal angle.
BUT that isn't enough either. So we get little
plays, the kind that toothpaste manufac-
turers put on to help peddle their goods. "Oh
John, wasn't that first act of La Boheme simply
divine?" "Yes, Mary, Jan Kiepura is certainly
a great singer." "Well, why don't we send off
our dollar right now?" "All right, Mary, I'll
make out a check. You address the envelope."
And as if that wasn't enough, last Saturday
afternoon Mr. Cross observed two minutes of
silence-time for you to put your dollar in an
envelope and address the envelope. The two
minutes were ticked off bya metronome. Getit?
Now maybe Gulliver is just being captious,
but he doesn't like the whole business. The Met
has always been the property and the plaything
of the Four Hundred. The American singer who
wanted to get a break there had to change his
name from Joe Benton to Guiseppe -Bentonelli.
American music never had a chance there. For
most people the Met means the -Golden Horse-

GULLIVER'S
CAVILS
By YOUNG GULLIVER

Radio
As JQb, Broadcasting
Offers Varied Work
And Hghest Wages
By LEONARD C4LEIDER
(Second of a Series)
Radio, the art-industry which 20
years ago would place its microphones
before anyone who would talk, today,
pays the highest wages of any U.S.
business and is constantly seeking
qualified men and women to feed its
tremendous appetite.
Twenty million words on 17,000 dif-
ferent programs over 764 stations-
these are the requirements which
radio must fill every day.
To those who supply these needs,
the business of broadcasting pays
18,010 full time workers an average
of $45.20 a week.
As radio has become mature, its
work has become more specialized, re-
sulting, in the opinion of Prof. Her-
man S. Hettinger of the University
of Pennsylvania, in "a marked rise in
professional knowledge and standards
in rgcent years."
Broadcasting employs business and
managerial experts, persons skilled
in advertising, writing, program pro-
duction, music, publicity, sales pro-
motion, news reporting, consumer re-
search, personal selling, engineering
and technical operation and research,
time buying and media evaluation
and a variety of other fields.
For College Men
Not all positions in radio demand
college trained men and women or
pay sufficiently well to attract per-
sons of that caliber, Professor Het-
tinger says. Radio stations, networks,
advertising agencies and talent and
production agencies provide between
9,000 and 10,000 jobs for the college
graduate.
Courses which have been recom-
mended for their value in radio are:
music, literature, writing-for the ear
and not the eye, economics, political
science, psychology, marketing, sociol-
ogy and, if they are available, special
radio courses.
Two factors frequently mentioned
by personnel experts are:
1. "Radio is a small industry and
only a few of those attracted to it
are welcomed into its ranks."
2. "The race in radio is only to
the strong, for there are only a few
places at the top."
Against these are arrayed:
. Exceptional ability in radio's
requirements is salable at good prices,
provided you have enough of it to top
a high quality field.
2. Special opportunity is provided
at the present time by the fact that
radio is just maturing and construc-
tive thinkers are wanted.
3. "Radio is a dramatic field-
human, dynamic and constantly
changing-with a swift tempo which
constantly challenges one's alertness
and ingenuity."
Breaking In
A comprehensive answer to the
question, "How does one break into
radio?" is furnished by Joseph H.
Burgess, Jr., personnel director of
the Columbia Broadcasting System
in a letter to The Daily.
Mr. Burgess, who receives 85 ap-
plications a day from college gradu-
ates seeking success in radio, says:
"The breaks in radio are unlimited,
for the few who get them. Once you
get a start in radio, there is almost
no limit to how far you can go. But
radio's gold rush days are over, and
the trick is to get that start. For a
start in network radio there is one
important preliminary: experience.
"This isn't the paradox it may seem
at first. There is a place to get that
experience even if the network is im-

possible: that place is in a local sta-
tion. A local station has all the
needs and ramifications of a large
network on a smaller scale, with
fewer people to take care of them.
Employees of a small station, Mr.
Burgess continues, are likely to find
themselves "doubling in brass"-
learning and doing other people's jobs
besides their own. This is the world's
best training for radio..
"A network like Columbia is al-
ways looking for talent and ability,
but it's quite obvious you can't write
a program heard from coast to coast
without the experience of writing a
program for a limited audience.
Some Specifications
"The radio business is just about
old enough to see what kind of men
it needs for its jobs. For the first
time our specifications are becoming
standardized, and most of them in-
clude the demand that the applicant's
talent be proved.
"Thus, while we want Qur engineers
to be college graduates, a degree
alone is generally.not enough. Actual
radio experience is desired. Our writ-
ers and directors have generally at-
tended college, even though they may
not have graduated, but they are re-
cruited by us directly from the thea-
tre, from advertising agencies, from,
local stations.
"Our time salesmen, advertising
and sales promotion men, and pub-
licityUwriters aso ha.ve had adver-

DAILY OFFICIAL BULLETIN

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No course is considered officially P
dropped unless it has been reported N
in the office of the Registrar, RoomH
4, University Hall.
Inexperienced Teacher Candidates:
I would like to see all inexperienced
candidates for teaching positions l
Wednesday, March 20 at 4:15 p.m. in o
Room 205 Mason Hall. o
T. Luther Purdom, Director o
Bureau of Occupational Appoint- a
ments and Occupational Informa- P
tion. P
ti
To All Faculty Members and Staff: m
Special Employment Time Reports
must be in the Business Office on
Thursday, March 21, to be included
in the roll for March. Pay day 'will 0
be Friday, March 29.
Bronson-Thomas Prize in German:R
Value $39.00. Open to all undergrad-
uate students in German of distinct-
ly American training. Will be c
awarded on the results of a three-
hour essay competition to be held R
under departmental supervision on
March 21, from 2-5 p.m., 203 U.H. H
Contestants must satisfy the depart- w
ment that they have done their v
reading in German. The essay may "
be written in English or German. t
Each contestant will be free to choose N
his own subject from a list of at least f
30 offered. The list will cover six e
chapters in the development of Ger-
man literature from 1750 to 1900,
each of which will be represented by
at least five subjects. Students who
wish to compete must be taking a n
course in German (101 or above) at C
the time of the competition. They p
should register and obtain directions N
as soon as possible at the office of F
the German Department, 204 Uni-
versity Hall. a
c
Kothe-Hildner Prize in German: 1
Two prizes, of $30 and $20 respective-
ly, will be awarded to students taking
German 32 in a translation compe-
tition (German-English and Eng-
lish-Germun) to be held March 21, n
from 2-5 p.m. in 203 U.H. Students t
who wish to compete and who have T
not yet handed in their applications E
should do so immediately and obtain i,
directions.
Tryouts for University Oratorical
Contest: Preliminaries for the Uni-n
versity Oratorical Contest will be held
Friday, March 22, at 4 p.m. in Room
4003 A.H. A five minute talk on the
subject of the oration will be re-
quired. Those interested should reg-
ister in the office of the Speech De-
partment, 3211 A.H., by Wednesday.
Assemly Representatives: Allt
G
representatives musthave their eligi-F
bility cards signed by Mary Frances
Reek before they will be able to votet
in Thursday's election. Bring cards a
to the meeting if they haven't beens
signed.
The University Bureau of Appoint-
mets and Occupational Informaton
has received notice of the following i
Civil Service examinations. Last date
for filing application is noted in each1
case:j
Detroit Police Department:
Junior Personnel Examiner (male),t
salary $2460, March 30.
Senior Technical Clerk (female),L
salary $1,860, March 30.
(These positions require legal resi-
dence in the State of Michigan).
City Service Commission of Balti-
more:
.Director of Community Cente,
salary $1,500, April 2. (Local resi-
dence waived.)
Complete announcements on file at
the University Bureau of Appoint-
ments and Occupational Informa-
tion, 201 Mason Hall. Office hours:
9-12 and 2-4.
Students who took the special
reading examination previously an-

nounced in these columns can obtain
their scores by calling Dr. Anderson,
Extension 685. An individual report
of the results will be sent to each
student in a week or ten days.
All R.O.T.C. Advanced Course Stu-
dents, including Medical Advanced
Course, desiring tickets for the Mili-
Stary Ball, to be held April 26, from
10 p.m. until 2 a.m., sign the list on
the bulletin board in R.O.T.C. Head-
quarters.
Ticket preference given to those
signing early.
Academic NoUceS
History 12, Lecture 11: Examina-
ion, Thursday, March 28, 10 a.m. Mr.
Stanton's and Mr. Spoelhof's sections
will meet in Room 1035 Angell Hall.
A1l other sections will meet in Natur-
al Science Auditorium.
Concerts
Organ Recital: Clair Coci, guest
organist, will give a concert on the
Frieze Memorial Organ in Hill Audi-
torium, Wednesday afternoon, March

nd of this week. Of special inter-
st are the plans of the International
eace Garden in North Dakota and
Manitoba, a. plantation village in
[awaii, New York City parks, etc.
Lectures
University Lecture: Dr. Luigi Vil-
ari, formerly in the Italian Ministry
f Foreign Affairs and on the stgf
f the League of Nations, will lecture
n "Italy and the International Situ-
tion" under the auspices of the De-
artment of Political Science at 4:15
.m. on Friday, March 22, in the Lec-
ure Hall of the Rackham Build-
ng. The public is cordially invited.
Mr. Louis Untermeyer's Schedule:
Today: Informal discussion "Voices
f the Middle West." East Conference
oom, Rackham Building, 4:15 p.m.
Friday, March 22, Lecture 4:
Changing Lines in Architecture."
ackham Amphitheatre, 4:15 p.m.
Saturday, March 23, Infornal dis-
ussion "Changing Lines in Archi-
ecture." East Conference Room,
ackham Building, 4:15 p.m.
Lecture on "Wood Poles": Dr. R.
[. Colley, Timber Products Engineer
ith the Bell Telephone Laboratories,
ill give an illustrated lecture on
Wood Poles" in the Chemistry Audi-
orium at 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday,
larch 20. Students in the School of
orestry and Conservation are expect-
di to -attend and classes will be dis-
nissed for this purpose. Any others
aterested are invited.
French Lecture: Mr. Abraham Her-
man will give the sixth lecture on the
ercle Francais program: "Les partis
)litiques en France." Wednesday,
aIarch 20. at 4:15 p.m., Room 103,
tomance Languages Building.
Tickets for the remaining lectures
.nd the French play may be pro-
ured at the door at the time of the
ecture.
Today's Events
Political Science Round Table will
neet tonight at 7:30 in the East Lee-
ure Room of the Rackham Building.
Topic: "The Interests of the Major
European Powers in the Scandinav-
an Countries."
Biological Chemistry Seminar will
neet in Room 319, West Medical
quilding, at 7:30 tonight. Subject:
"Fatty Livers." All interested are
nvited.
The Graduate 'History Club will
neet tonight at 8 in the West Con-
ference Room, Rackham Building.
Topic for discussion, "Your Disserta-
ion." Professor Ehrmann will dis-
uss the mechanics of thesis writing,
Professor Boak will speak of oppor-
tunities for publication, and there
will be an explanation and demon-
stration of the use of microfilming.
Deutscher Verein will meet tonight
at 8 o'clock in the League. A variety
vening will follow the business meet-
ng. Every one welcome.
La Sociedad Hispanica presents a
ecture by Dr. D. L. Pucci of Wayne
University today at 4:15 p.m.,
Room 103 R.L. Dr. Pucci will
talk in Spanish on "The Generation
f '98, its origin and its work." Tick-
its for the lecture may be secured
in the office of the secretary in the
Romance Language Department.
Chemical and Metallurgical Engin-
eering graduate students will have a
luncheon today in Room 3201 E. Eng.
Bldg. Mr. Louis Untermeyer will
speak.
The Future Teachers of America
will hold a meeting today at 4:00
p.m. in the Education Library in the
U.E.S. Dr. Claude Eggertsen will dis-
cuss "Sidelights on the N.E.A." All
those interested in Education are in-

vited.
Professor A. D. Moore will talk on
"Hobbies in a Lifetime" tonight at
8 00 in Room 319 of the Union. The
public is cordially invited.
Association Forum: Professor G. E.
Carrothers will lead the discussion on
"Why a Church?" tonight at 7:15,
Lane Hall.
University Girls' Glee Club: Re-
Pearsal today at 2:30 p.m. in Game
Room of the League.
The Verdi Requiem will be sung
tonight at 8:15 in the First Methodist
Church. The public is cordially in-
vited.
Christian Science Organization will
meet tonight at 8:15 in the chapel
of the Michigan League.
The Conversational Hebrew class
will meet at the Hillel Foundation to-
night at 7:00.
The Music Section of the Faculty
Women's Club will meet tonight at

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