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lose that individual approach," he said.
With budget cuts and lost staffers,
the nature of the course changed,"
Loomis said, as "discussion and direc-
t instruction in writing became difficult
"WE WERE THE victims of
programatic changes which we didn't
share in making,"he said.
Loomis also said that he "wouldn't
have voted for" eliminating his depar-
tment, and called.it "said that others
have seen fit to close out what we've.
Assistant Dean Leland Quackenbush
called the huge sections "deplorable,"
but Vest prefers to look to the future.
"WE'VE MADE a decision, taken a
direction, and it's time to look to the
future," he said.
Engineering students had mixed
feelings about moving over to LSA.
Freshman Paul Brabandt thinks the
decision is "definitely better for us,"
since he can't understand the "use of
putting out engineers who can't com-
pete in the liberal arts world."
GILLIGAN agrees with the move,
saying "we should be able to survive in
the LSA environment," while freshman
Terry Young believes that we'd com-
pete really well with LSA students."
Freshman John Potbury, however,
thinks that "engineering is a totally dif-
I don't think it's right," he said. "We
don't have to learn to write as effec-
tively as LSA students."
"I'M GLAD it's not me" said Alexan-
der, referring to the incoming freshmen
who will take LSA English composition
"Generally, engineers aren't real
aesthetic types," he said, predicting
that his fellow engineers would have
trouble competing in LSA.
Professor Loomis disagreed, basing
his answer on 31 years of University
"I THINK that LSA's lucky to be get-
ting our students. They will do well in
either place," he said.
"Although engineers' interest in
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literature and writing often varies, in
my experience many have learned that
they could enjoy literature and
Dean Quackenbush said that the
competition factor "was our concern,
and was the reason for the establish-
ment of the Humanities department in
the first place."
BUT HE added, "our students have.
the same kinds of skills as LSA studen-
ts, so the English Board Writing Test
and their performances in English 125
will be revealing."
LSA students interviewed
unanimously approved of having
engineers in their English classes.
"I think it's great," said sophomore
Marci Watson. "My engineering next-
door neighbor said she feels like she
doesn't speak English anymore. Maybe
this will get them out of their nerdy
KEVIN KELSH, a freshman, agreed
that "engineering students should have
to take English in LSA because we have
to compete with them in math and
"It wouldn't be unfair at all," he said.
"There are many good writers in
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PURDUE UNIVERSITY, which
requires its freshmen engineers to
fulfill their writing requirement
through the English Department,
reports that "the average grade of
engineersing students in English is
generally higher than other students,"
according to Sue Savage, a counselor in
"I think what you're doing at
Michigan is a good idea," Savage also
said. "It will enable your engineers to
meet other students than just
Alexe Page, an employee in MIT's
Committee for the Writing
Requirement, says that about 12% of
entering freshmen end up taking
English courses with other students,
and that they compete adequately.
SHE POINTED out, however, that
MIT's stringent entrance requirements
produces students who are
unquestionably qualified in all areas of
"I think it should work at Michigan,
because it is a good chance for the
engineers to interact with people who
have different interests."
The University of Illinois at Cham-
paign-Urbana employs a compromise
system in which its engineers take
English in the regular LAS college
(Literature, Arts, and Sciences) but
many are placed in special sections
reserved for engineerings students.
ILLINOIS students are still "en-
couraged" to take the special sections,
but those who don't-about 30% of the
freshman class-"have no trouble,"
according to Robert Bokenkamp, an
Assistant Dean of English.
The University's College of LSA ap-
pears to be having some trouble dealing
with next fall's influx of engineers.
Prof. William Ingram, the director of
English Composition said, "we're
opening up additional sections, for
which funding is being made available,
but there is a problem of logistics-ad-
ditional classroom ,space and office
space for TA's.
Although Ingram said that "it's not a
crisis in any sense," Al Stewart of the
Office of Scheduling, who Ingram said
is handling the space problem, "didn't
know where the places for extra
classrooms would be."
"It's a big puzzle that has to be
worked out," Stewart said, but added
that he hoped to use the same rooms
that engineersing humanities classes
have used in the past.
Bland Laverette, an Administrative
Manager for Space in the office of LSA
AssociateaDean for Curriculum James
Cather, agreed that "it may be a
I'm not sure just when we'll have a
solution," he said, "but I can assure
you that we will have a place for
students to take their classes."
as secretary of the Treasury
WASHINGTON-The Senate Finance Committee voted unanimously
yesterday to recommend confirmation of James Baker III as Treasury
secretary after hearing Baker say the administration believes simplifying
the tax code is as important as attacking federal budget deficits.
Baker, however, stressed repeatedly that the tax plan unveiled by the
current Treasury secretary, Donald Regan, was only a "starting point" and
could be substantially modified before the administration sends it to
Baker, President Reagan's chief of staff for four years, is swapping jobs
with Regan. Baker's nomination won easy approval from the panel
following a 2 -hour hearing in which Baker was relaxed and often engaged
in friendly banter with his Senate interrogators. He easily handled a wide
range of questions ranging from specific provisions of the tax code to efforts
to halt drug smuggling by the U.S. Customs Service.
His nomination is expected to be taken up by the full Senate next week and
Finance Committee Chairman Robert Packwood predicted quick approval.
Baker, credited as the key strategist responsible for the president's first-
term legislative victories, told the senators that the administration hopes
1985 will be a replay of 1981, when the administration "found the resources"
to get a major tax bill and spending cuts through Congress at the same time.
Navy attack bomber missing
AGAMA, Guam-Strong winds and rough seas hampered a search ;yes-
terday for a Navy VA-3B transport plane with nine people aboard that
vanished from radar screens and was believed to have crashed in the Pacific
The aircraft was reported overdue and missing at 1 p.m. local time after it
disappeared from the Guam Air Traffic Control radar about 125 miles north
of Guam, a Pentagon spokesman said.
That would place the plane somewhere near the island of Saipaw, a U.S.
overseas territory, when it disappeared and some 45 mintues flying time
from Guam. Authorities believe the plane crashed somewhere in at sea.
The missing aircraft was identified by the Pentagon as a thin-engine VA-
3B, a modified version of the Navy's A-3 Sky Warrior attack bomber.
Four Navy aircraft, the Air Force planes, and a-Coast Guard C-130 laun-
ched a search for the plane but the day long effort was fruitless and theplanes
were recalled when darkness fell, Coast Guard officials said.
Anti-aboriionists target Packwood
WASHINGTON-Anti-abortion activists labeled Sen. Robert Packwood
R-Ore., "Senator Death" yesterday and made him their primary-and
perhaps only-political target for the 1986 elections.
"He, more than any other politician, is directly responsible for killing
some 18 million preborn children," said Rick Woodrow, executive director of
the Life Amendment Political Action Committee, at a news conference.
"This isn't the first time I've been singled out by a group that disagrees
with my strong opinion that a woman has a right to make her own decision on
abortion," he said.
"If these people think they can scare me by extremist threats and by
their desire to force their point of view on everyone, they are very wrong,"
Woodrow also called on the government to drop charges against 28 anti-
abortion demonstrators arrested at the Supreme Court During Tuesday's
massive rally which saw some 14,500 demonstrators march on Congress and
the Supreme Court demanding a constitutional amendment banning all
Courts indict Marcos' trusted
aide in slaying of Aquino
MANILA, Philippines-Armed Forces Chief Gen. Fabian Ver, a trusted
aide and relative of President Ferdinand Marcos, was indicted yesterday
with 25 others for the 1983 slaying of popular opposition leader Benigno
Ver, 64, Metropolitian Police Commander Maj. Gen. Prosper Olivas and
six soldiers were named as accessories for allegedly covering up the
"I expected it," Ver, a distant cousin to Marcos, said on a telephone inter-
view. "I'm prepared for it, like a good soldier."
Aquino was shot to death at Manila airport Aug. 21, 1983, as he stepped off
a jetliner on his return from three years of self-exile in the United States.
Discovery to launch today
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP)-The Florida deep freeze that grounded
space shuttle Discovery for 24 hours ends, and crew ready the ship and its
intriguing secret cargo for launch at an unannounced time today.
As the daytime temperature climbed into the 50s, a small band of
protesters stood outside the Kennedy Space Center gates with signs reading
"Weaponizing outer space is irresponsible," and "Keep the heavens un-
On the oceanside launch tower, plumbers replaced leaking nozzles and
burst valves in the firefighting equipment.
If everything continues to go well, Discovery will be launched on its secret
mission between 1:15 p.m. and 4:15 p.m. today with a crew of five, all
military men. The temperature at the Cape during that period is forecast to
be between 58 and 64 degrees after an overnight low of 36.
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