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MR. ABOUREZK: Would you want me to
your approach be now?
MR. ABOUREZK: Well, the first thing I'd
MR. BOOKBINDER: Yes.
do as secretary of state is fire Elliott
MR. ABOUREZK: I tell you what. I will
say that if you'll say the Palestinians have
The second thing I would do is sit down
a right to a state. How's that?
with Prime Minister Shamir and say, "The
United States position is that you should
MR. BOOKBINDER: I want to remind
negotiate with all of the interested parties
our readers that in my presentation I
in an international conference, including
drafted a single sentence, "Whatever
the Soviet Union. Now, you don't have to,
mistakes or unfairness surround the crea-
because you are a sovereign nation, but if
tion of Israel, its right to exist in peace
you don't do it, the United States is going
with recognized, negotiated borders should
to withhold all future aid from Israel."
no longer be challenged."
In my view, there is never going to be any
Now, are you saying you're willing to say
something like that . . .
sort of peaceful resolution of this matter
MR. ABOUREZK:. . You add another con-
unless the United States stops writing
blank checks for Israel. That's why Israel
dition, I won't answer that .. .
does whatever it wants to. In contrast to
MR. BOOKBINDER: . . . You're willing
the way things usually operate, it gets
to say something like that, if I'm willing
rewarded for its crimes and its sins, not
to say something else. I'll tell you exactly
what I feel. It's implicit in the first hun-
dred pages of the book, but I'll say it now
very, very directly.
I believe that the last several decades of
Arab-Palestinian aspirations should now
be recognized and that they should be en-
titled to the maximum possible amount of
self-governance consistent with peace and
recognition in that area.
MR. ABOUREZK: What does that mean?
MR. BOOKBINDER: I'll tell you exactly
what it means. I am not ready to declare
that the formula for that self-governance
is what you call self-determination, what
most people call a state. That is something
to be negotiated between the parties
punished for them.
MR. SHIPLER: Do you think that's
Now, there is a process that has been
politically realistic? Do you think a
agreed to by the major Arab state in the
secretary of state would be able to do that?
area, Egypt, by Israel, and with the
MR. ABOUREZIC: No, of course not. We're
cooperation of the United States. A for-
talking about the ideal situation. It's not
luula exists for the beginning of this pro-
politically realistic simply because the
cess of maximum self-governance for the
Israeli lobby has poured too much money
Palestinians. That process would now be in
into congressional campaigns and presi-
its ninth year if Camp David had been
dential primaries, to allow politicians to
followed. If that process, starting with
say, "Israel, you've got to make a deal."
maximum autonomy — genuine, generous
MR. SHIPLER: And what would the out-
autonomy — demonstrates to the Arabs,
come of an international conference ideal-
to the Palestinians, to the Israelis, that
ly be, from your standpoint? What would
they can move even further into a full state,
the solution be?
I will be the first to cheer.
MR. ABOUREZK: Ideally, I think, a peace
Now, that's a long answer to your ques-
treaty would be negotiated between Israel
tion, but that's exactly the way I feel about
and all of its enemies in the Middle East,
including the P.L.O. There would be a
MR. ABOUREZK: It sounds to me like
Palestinian state that Israel would finally
you're against the Palestinian state, Mr.
have to recognize, and then define its own
Bookbinder, because you've got every con-
borders — I think that would be one of the
ceivable excuse that you can think of, and
major accomplishments of the confer-
what everybody else can think of for not
ence — and the Palestinians would begin
having one. Why don't you say, these peo-
to administer their own state. There would
ple are entitled to run their own destiny.
be anti-hostility treaties among all of these
Let them have a state; let them have a
nations, supervised by the Soviet Union
democracy, a dictatorship, whatever it is
and the United States.
that they want, and not what you want.
The Soviet Union has indicated that it's
MR. BOOKBINDER: No, I want to start
interested in such an arrangement on more
out with substantially more self-
than one occasion. And I think the United
governance than any previous occupying
States would be, provided there wasn't any
power gave the Palestinian Arabs.
influence from the Israeli lobby. I think
MR. SHIPLER: Where do we go from here.
that would be the U.S. position if it were
If you were secretary of state, what would
not skewed by what we euphemistically
It's a weird kind of pacifism
that leads him to say that
he justifies the violence.
No pacifist should ever talk