THE DETROIT JEWISH NEWS
52 Friday, October 29, 1976
Brown Interview Transcript Released to Press
NEW YORK (JTA) —
The- Jewish Telegraphic
Agency obtained the
transcript of Gen. George
S. Brown's interview with.
Raanan Lurie. As re-
leased by King Features
Syndicate, Brown's re-
marks are as follows:
Lurie: Speaking about
the Middle East, from a
pure military point of
view, would you say that
from the American
strategic-global stra-
tegic-interests, militarily
is Israel and its forces
more a burden or more a
blessing from a pure
military point of view to
the United States?
Brown: Well, I think it's I think they do in the
just got to be considered a short term. But I don't in
burden. I had this same 15-20 years. Because they
conversation with have no other option. I
(Senator Jacob) Javits would think that if, for in-
right after I got in trouble stance, if Saudi Arabia,
down at Duke.
which is the key to the
We had breakfast and thing because she has the
we were talking, and he wealth, could just go on a
said to me, "Can't you see nation-building program
the great strategic value of . . . that would keep it to-
Israel to the United tally occupied for a long
States?" And I said, time, and then to help
"Frankly, no," which Egypt to get on her feet
wasn't what I was talking economically and what
about at Duke at all. But not, they couldn't worry
The
my concern there is that about Israel.
But they've got a thing
they're a burden. Now, if
the trends were reversed, that they are very, very
then I could see in the long sincere about these Holy
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Lurie: And the theory
Israel is strong. She could that parallels it, for in-
whip Syria and Egypt stance, to France. Once
handily, and there's no-
France detached herself
body else that could check from Israel, the fact is that
them in that area, unless France lost any leverage
the Russians took a direct whatsoever she had with
hand.
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Lurie: Of course.
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with the money is Saudi
Arabia.
Lurie: The rich uncle.
Brown: That's right.
Now, the other concern
over there really is Iran,
and the puzzling question
of why she is building
such a tremendous milit-
ary force. She couldn't
with her population do
anything that would pro-
vide protection from the
Soviet Union, if there is a
real threat there.
She's got adequate
power now to handle Af-
ghanistan and Pakistan,
so, you know, if they were
a threat you could dis-
count that . . . she's a lit-
tle better than a match
for Iraq now. And my
gosh, the programs the
Shah has coming. It just
makes you wonder about
whether he doesn't some
day have visions of the
Persian Empire.
Lurie: Certainly.
Brown: They don't call
that the Persian Gulf for
nothing. But of course our
concern for the Middle
East is that tremendous
flow of oil. Our depen-
dence on, what, 17 or 18
percent now, I guess, of
our national consumption.
And all of Europe, Japan.
It's just got to continue to
flow, or, the world is going
to change. It's not going to
be the world we know to-
day.
Lurie: What about
Lebanon right now,
changing into what we
can call by pragmatic
terms a new, very ex-
treme left regime in-, a
very vital spot?
Brown: Well, it could,
but I'm not prepared to be
quite that optimistic . . .
if this cease-fire . . .
Lurie: I'm sorry . . .
I'm pessimistic . . . be-
cause I said it's becoming
a left regime.
Brown: I say . . . you're
pessimistic . . . but I'm a
little more optimistic. I
think that if this cease-fire
holds through the end of
the month (inaudible). The
Syrians have been very
constrained in their milit-
ary effort and have pro-
vided the stabilizing ba-
lance there. If we get a re-
gime, if something comes
out of this election that is
not as radical as you sus-
pect it might be, it will
have Syrian support. And
maybe, just maybe, they
could carry it off. If it
comes out too radical, I
think we're going to have
continued trouble over
there within Lebanon.
It's been amazing to me
that they've been able to
fight this long, on the
scale that they have, and
with the tremendous de-
struction and disruption
of the country, and have
the rest of the Middle
East kind of keep hands
off. The Syrians have
sort of boxed it in order to
maintain some degree of
control without actually
getting in and taking the
place over. And the Is-
raelis have been very re-
strained. Both have made
statements that the other
understands . . .
Lurie: Are the Israelis
restrained also because of
American pressure?
Brown: As far as I
know, it hasn't been
necessary to apply any. I
think they're restrained
primarily because this
isn't the provocation over
which they are prepared
to go to war. The lesson of
the last war to them was
that the casualties were a
heck of a lot heavier than
they're prepared to take.
A few years ago, in some
of the earlier wars, they
were quickly decisive. The
casualties were reasona-
ble, although they don't
want to take any.
This last time they took
very heavy casualties the
first four or five days.
And I don't think that
small country wants to
see that again or can af-
ford to see, it. Politically
they can't afford to.
They've got tremendous
internal problems, as you
know better than I.
You've been over there.
They're over-extended
because of the tremend-
ous military burden they
have, and I guess if we
were in their straits, we
would be too.
Canada to Outlaw
Hate Messages
TORONTO (JTA) —
Canada's federal gov-
ernment is planning
legislation to prohibit
taped racial and religious
hate messages over the
telephone, Justice Minis-
ter Ronald Basford told
parliament in Ottawa.
He said the messages
were produced mostly in
the Toronto area by a
group called "Western
Guard." He said they
breed "racial prejudice
and bigotry, arousing an-
xiety among racial
minorities and under-
mine confidence in the
protection they should be
afforded under law."
Basford said the hate
messages were aimed
against Blacks, Asian
groups and Jews. "This is
a delicate area in which to
(legislate," he said, but he
assured parliament that
his proposals would deal
with the problem prop-
erly while "protecting
freedom of speech in a
free society."
The proposed legisla-
tion will be part of what
the government hopes
will amount to a com-
prehensive anti-
discrimination code. On-
tario Attorney General
Roy McMurty has been
asking for such federal
legislation for a year.
Radomer Society
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The Radomer Aid Soci-
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p.m. Nov. 7 at Cong. Beth
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President Nate Wolok
has appointed Sol Ager
banquet chairman, as-
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Sherman, Morris Green-
berg and Shirley Finkel.
For information and
reservations, call Celia
Mager, 557-5466, or
Nancy Ager, 547-7614.