THE DETROIT JEWISH NEWS 52 Friday, October 29, 1976 Brown Interview Transcript Released to Press NEW YORK (JTA) — The- Jewish Telegraphic Agency obtained the transcript of Gen. George S. Brown's interview with. Raanan Lurie. As re- leased by King Features Syndicate, Brown's re- marks are as follows: Lurie: Speaking about the Middle East, from a pure military point of view, would you say that from the American strategic-global stra- tegic-interests, militarily is Israel and its forces more a burden or more a blessing from a pure military point of view to the United States? Brown: Well, I think it's I think they do in the just got to be considered a short term. But I don't in burden. I had this same 15-20 years. Because they conversation with have no other option. I (Senator Jacob) Javits would think that if, for in- right after I got in trouble stance, if Saudi Arabia, down at Duke. which is the key to the We had breakfast and thing because she has the we were talking, and he wealth, could just go on a said to me, "Can't you see nation-building program the great strategic value of . . . that would keep it to- Israel to the United tally occupied for a long States?" And I said, time, and then to help "Frankly, no," which Egypt to get on her feet wasn't what I was talking economically and what about at Duke at all. But not, they couldn't worry The my concern there is that about Israel. But they've got a thing they're a burden. Now, if the trends were reversed, that they are very, very then I could see in the long sincere about these Holy ORCHESTRA term where it might be a Lands. 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But of course our concern for the Middle East is that tremendous flow of oil. Our depen- dence on, what, 17 or 18 percent now, I guess, of our national consumption. And all of Europe, Japan. It's just got to continue to flow, or, the world is going to change. It's not going to be the world we know to- day. Lurie: What about Lebanon right now, changing into what we can call by pragmatic terms a new, very ex- treme left regime in-, a very vital spot? Brown: Well, it could, but I'm not prepared to be quite that optimistic . . . if this cease-fire . . . Lurie: I'm sorry . . . I'm pessimistic . . . be- cause I said it's becoming a left regime. Brown: I say . . . you're pessimistic . . . but I'm a little more optimistic. I think that if this cease-fire holds through the end of the month (inaudible). The Syrians have been very constrained in their milit- ary effort and have pro- vided the stabilizing ba- lance there. If we get a re- gime, if something comes out of this election that is not as radical as you sus- pect it might be, it will have Syrian support. And maybe, just maybe, they could carry it off. If it comes out too radical, I think we're going to have continued trouble over there within Lebanon. It's been amazing to me that they've been able to fight this long, on the scale that they have, and with the tremendous de- struction and disruption of the country, and have the rest of the Middle East kind of keep hands off. The Syrians have sort of boxed it in order to maintain some degree of control without actually getting in and taking the place over. And the Is- raelis have been very re- strained. Both have made statements that the other understands . . . Lurie: Are the Israelis restrained also because of American pressure? Brown: As far as I know, it hasn't been necessary to apply any. 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Canada to Outlaw Hate Messages TORONTO (JTA) — Canada's federal gov- ernment is planning legislation to prohibit taped racial and religious hate messages over the telephone, Justice Minis- ter Ronald Basford told parliament in Ottawa. He said the messages were produced mostly in the Toronto area by a group called "Western Guard." He said they breed "racial prejudice and bigotry, arousing an- xiety among racial minorities and under- mine confidence in the protection they should be afforded under law." Basford said the hate messages were aimed against Blacks, Asian groups and Jews. "This is a delicate area in which to (legislate," he said, but he assured parliament that his proposals would deal with the problem prop- erly while "protecting freedom of speech in a free society." The proposed legisla- tion will be part of what the government hopes will amount to a com- prehensive anti- discrimination code. On- tario Attorney General Roy McMurty has been asking for such federal legislation for a year. Radomer Society Annual Dinner Set The Radomer Aid Soci- ety will hold its 56th An- nual Dinner Dance 6:30 p.m. Nov. 7 at Cong. Beth Achim. President Nate Wolok has appointed Sol Ager banquet chairman, as- sisted by Rita Ager, Jack Sherman, Morris Green- berg and Shirley Finkel. For information and reservations, call Celia Mager, 557-5466, or Nancy Ager, 547-7614.