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On Wednesday night, the Carcer-
al State Project hosted a roundtable 
discussion in Hatcher Graduate Li-
brary to discuss how incarceration 
affects various communities and 
how to repair the resulting damage. 
Established in 2016 by Professor 
Heather Ann Thompson and the 
Department of Afroamerican and 
African Studies, the Carceral State 
Project brings together members of 
the community to research and dis-
cuss mass incarceration in the Unit-
ed States. The event drew about 100 
attendees and is the fifth event in 
their symposium series.
Ashley Lucas, member of the 

CSP Steering Committee and asso-
ciate professor of Theatre & Drama 
at the Residential College, hosted 
the event. She explained why she 
believes the work of her organiza-
tion, and that of the featured panel-
ists, is so important in today’s politi-
cal climate.
“We are living in a moment of 
extraordinary crisis,” Lucas said. 
“With the highest incarceration 
rates in the world’s history, this is a 
time that I believe we will look back 
on with the sorrow and shame with 
which we now view slavery.”
The first question presented to 
the panel was about their personal 
experiences with the carceral state 
and how those experiences affected 
their lives.
Natalie Holbrook, program di-

rector of the Michigan Criminal 
Justice Program, was the first pan-
elist to talk. She explained how the 
carceral state affects everyone — 
both people who have relationships 
with inmates and those who have 
no direct connection to the criminal 
justice system.
Holbrook specifically discussed 
the connection a prison can have 
with the place it is located. 
“I think that we don’t realize 
how much prisons become parts of 
whole communities where every-
body knows somebody who works 
at the prison,” Holbrook said. “It 
goes unrecognized, but it is totally 
part of the landscape.” 
Kathie Gourlay, whose son has 
previously been incarcerated, ex-
plained the effect his incarceration 
had on her and her family. Gourlay 
also discussed her belief families 
should be taken into account by 
the justice system. While her son 
was being tried, her family wrote 
letters to explain how his absence 
could affect them, but the judge 
said they couldn’t be considered 
in the case.
Gourlay also explained the 
challenges of communicating with 
her son while he was in prison be-
cause of the barriers the carceral 
state had imposed.
“Once you’re in prison they 
don’t care about the family,” she 
said. “The only time they’ll tell you 
anything is if your family member 
is almost dead.”
Melnee McPherson, who re-
ceived a PhD in sociology from 
the University, spoke about her 
experience taking care of her 
brother’s children while he was 
incarcerated and the struggles she 
encountered.
“Every three or four weeks 
the social workers flipped over,” 
McPherson said. “The system is 
really screwed up. The system that 
is supposed to be helping young 
people especially — it doesn’t 
work.”
The last panelist to speak was 
Aaron Suganuma, who served 
four and a half years in prison and 

now works as a substance abuse 
counselor and the executive direc-
tor of A Brighter Way, a non-profit 
organization that provides assis-
tance to individuals transition back 
into society.
Suganuma explained the obsta-
cles he faced as a felon, especially 
when trying to secure housing. Su-
ganuma said McKinley, one of the 
largest landlords in the area, will 
not rent to felons, and other land-
lords use McKinley’s standards.
Suganuma also discussed how 
his previous incarceration affected 
his choices when applying to col-
leges. 
“I ended up not going to school 
here and not going to school at 
Wayne 
State 
University, 
even 
though I was accepted, because of 
the admissions process,” Saginuma 
said. “I felt like I was discriminated 
against, I felt like I was unwelcome.”
When asked about the effect in-
carceration had on familial relation-
ships, both Suganuma and McPher-
son felt they could persist through 
incarceration. 
Suganuma 
used 
the example of his mother, while 
McPherson discussed her brother 
and his kids.
“My mom was engaged in my 
life, at least, she tried to be,” Sug-
anuma said. “The funny thing is, at 
least because of the carceral state, 
she always knew where to find me.” 
McPherson explained her broth-
er was mentally ill and a substance 
abuser, but this didn’t keep his chil-
dren from seeing him.
“Even though he was mentally 
ill and a substance abuser, they still 
loved their father,” she said. “Chil-
dren love their parents.”
Gourlay believed prisons were 
a huge detriment to the formation 
of community, something she per-
sonally experienced while her son 
was incarcerated. She explained the 
carceral state prevented formation 
of communities between prisoners, 
as well as with those on the outside.

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continually blown away by the skill and 
talent of these young professionals. 
Gobsmacked at what they can do. The 
kids are alright.

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the work the University has done 
expanding access to higher education 
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WOLVE RINE OF THE WE E K

ALEC COHEN/Daily

Q: What did you do over 
spring break? Any memorable 
moments?

“I spent spring break in the 
San Diego area working 
with GRID Alternatives, 
a non-profit, and twelve 
UMich students installing 
solar panels on two modular 
homes on the Los Coyotes 
Band of Cahuilla and Cupeña 
Indian reservation...There 
was one member of the tribe 
who stopped by to visit us 
most of our nights staying 
on the reservation to talk to 
us and spend time with us. 
He opened up a lot about 
his life and experiences 
and started dialogue about 
very serious problems and 
injustices in the U.S. The trip 
really forced so many of us to 
talk about identities and our 
experiences.”

Aliyah Borntrager
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Roundtable talks community impact while incarcerated

Carceral State Project event discusses consequences of imprisonment and how to address them

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