The Michigan Daily - SPORTSMonday - Monday, September 20, 1993 - 3 Weidenbach With his impending retirement, Michigan's AD discusses his career I Since being named the interim ath- letic director to replace Bo Schem- bechler in January of 1990, much has occurred in the tenure of Jack Weidenbach as the leader of the Michi- gan athletic department. On the field, 16 Wolverine teams have won Big Ten championships and the department was named by the USA Today as the "Col- lege Athletic Program of the Year"for the 1992-93academicyear. Offthefield theathleticcampushasbeen thoroughly renovated, with the dedication of Schembechler Hall, Cff Keen Arena and the Marie Hartwig Building along with renovations to Michigan Stadium. When Weidenbach, Michigan's sev- enth athletic director, steps down at the end of next June, he will be replaced by current Campaign for Michigan direc- tor Joe Roberson. Recently, Daily Sports Editor Ryan Herrington spoke with Weidenbach about the past, present andfuture of the Michigan athletic department. Daily: Can you give me your im- pressions of Joe Roberson and the quali- ties he'll bring to the athletic director's position when the transition is finally made? Weidenbach: I've known Joe Roberson for a long time and what Joe is, is an administrator. He has great administrative skills and that's what's requiredin the department. He willbring those skills down here together with the understanding of the mission of a re- search university. That's going to serve him well in this position. I think he'll do very well. D: He does seem to have a tremen- dous amount of experience in fund rais- ing and business-related activities as well. Do you feel this is going to be the criteria formany athletic directors in the future? Is this something that other can- didates for athletic director positions are going to be held up against? W: Fund raising is an element, but it's not the overriding requirement for thisposition. AsI said, thisposition is an administrative one and understand the * mission of the university and that's in my judgment a very strong background of Joe Roberson and a strong outlook toward athletics. Sohe's got these important elements in my judgment. Fund raising just hap- pens to be one of those things. Believe me, it's not all that important because I think his business management skills will behis primary assets in carrying out this responsibility. D: Are there any other skills you see vital to the position? W: Joe is also an individual who gets along with people and that's an important skill and one I often mention. For any administrator one of the most important parts of the job is to be essentially a planner, to look ahead and Joe has that ability. We can't look to next year without an indication of what intercollegiate sports are going to be like at the turn of the century. All of the administrators have that vision and Joe has that vision. D: There are many other large uni- versities with large athletic programs which seem to have come upon hard times lately. At the same time except for the one incident with baseball (Editor's note: In 1989, the program was put on NCAA probation when it was discov- ered players had sold football programs and kept the profits), Michigan athletics has been run cleanly and professionally. What do you think makes the Michigan athletic department unique? W: I think, as in any organization, what you have going for you is tradi- tion. To come into the University of Michigan athletic department you have to look back at Fielding H. Yost and Fritz Crisler and Don Canham and Bo Schembechler and even the guy who's in there right now, and you've got to look back at that tradition of excellence in athletics. That's something that does make it unique. We've been also fortunate enough to be successful which builds tradition. You have to be very fortunate enough to be successful, which gives you the re- sources to run a comprehensive pro- A Qm. to enhance them, you wouldn't be backandtheprograms would go down- hill. Like any business or institution, you don't stand still. You either go forward or go back. What we're trying to do with Michigan athletics is be visionary and look ahead. D: College athletics in general is becoming more and more complex. What do you see as the most difficult issue facing Michigan andotherNCAA schools in the future? W: There's no question that the issue of gender equity is something that you're going to be faced with because with gender equity comes a cost. How to finance this increase in sponsored sports is a real big issue. The other thing is how to face ris- ing costs in the classic situation. Higher education in the athletic department is no different than any part of higher education. It's a very intensive people business and so the cost of higher education and the costs of running the athletic department outstretch normal inflation. We don't have a machine that can replace a coach and the cost of provid- ing grants-in-aid for student-athletes continues to escalate. The financing of it and how you handle it in the future is areally big problem. And when you've got gender equity wrapped into that then another problem is how to not only meet the requirements of Title IX butmeet the requirements ofourBoard of Regents because we have a policy of equity. So those are the big things. Of course, the other demands are to keep the facilities up to code, so they can service the student-athlete. The real goal of the athletic department is sometimes obscure because our sports which attract the media, like football, men's basketball and hockey, it seems like we're in the entertainment busi- ness. But what we're really here for is to provide the student-athlete with a very positive experience. You will find when you talk to both men and women that they really believe that their athletic experiences was probably the most positive of their college career. That's what the goal is. We try to integrate this into their educational effort and we spend a lot of money to do it, with student support services and things which we do to make sure that the decide whatreally isgenderequityrather than schools and colleges themselves. What's going to come out of them is very important in that whatever we do, we do it financially. It puts the burden on this athletic department to make sure we fill that stadium and to have competitive bas- ketball teams but in a sense it's unfair to put on the backs the responsibility of funding the whole program but essen- tially, that's what we do. D: But you definitely see Michigan continuing to offer multiple sports? Do you ever see a time where the depart- 'We try to make our student-athletes as they mature in the program understand that what we're giving them - that opportunity to give them a degree - will be worth it in the long run.' ment will change this? W: It depends what happens in the future. You might be forced to. You don't want to cut or reduce those rev- enue-generating sports so that they're losing revenue. I've always said if you play Ivy League football, you'll get Ivy League crowds. And that'snot what we're interested in. Our football, basketball and hockey teams compete at a very high level and sodo our women's teams. Ihope we can continue to operate areally comprehen- sive program. A lot of it will be deter- mined by court decisions. But we are committed, there is no question that we are committed to meet our obligations for women. D: At times it seems that there are so many restrictions placed on student- athletes by the NCAA. It seems that there is an awful lot of bureaucracy in college sports. Doyou thinktheNCAA's procedure will be simplified? W: That's a great question. I don't know. I've thought about that for along time and there are a lot ofquestions. You wonder if the bureaucracy is so en- trenched out ttere and ever since I've been here I've always heard them say, 'Well, we're going to simplify." But every time you pass a rule you make it more complicated and every year you're talking about more modifi- time you add something to the overhead it's taking away the dollars that should be going into the programs for student- athletes. It's a disappointment of mine that there hasn'tbeen a simplification of this process. It's really grown more complicated. That's one of the things, now that I am leaving, that I really regret we didn't accomplish. The other thing I regret is the financ- ing. I don'tknow, one of these days you may end up going to a need-based aid, where you do give grants-in-aid auto- matically but you give them out based on need. It would come out of the ath- letic department but it would be admin- istered by some other agency. D: You mentioned earlier how at times fans lose their focus on college athletics and fill the stadium and Crisler Arena yet there are many other student- athletes who go almost totally unno- ticed. Do you think college athletics itself is almost losing its focus? W: In the day and age of television, with the whole marketing of sports, whether we like it or not, we're in the entertainment business. So you have to keep reminding everybody that you're dealing with students. No matter how professional they appear to the outsider, these are still people who are going to school. The reason we spend the amount of time and effort and money on support- ing student support services is we want to give every one of them an opportu- nity to earn a degree. We still work very hard at that whereas the outside media, particularly those who are not involved with college, look upon it as entertain- ment. We want to keep people informed of this winning record, not on the fact that these are a bunch of kids that are 18-to 22-years old. It's fortunate and unfortu- nate in a way that student-athletes come here particularly in those sports where you have an opportunity to make a living, believing that they can eventu- ally succeed in their sport. We all know that doesn't happen so we try continu- ally to make our athletes become more realistic in what life offers them and that's hard to do. We lost two hockey players this year (Aaron Ward and Cam Stewart) which was disappointing for the coach (Red Berenson) and disappointing for me, but with the amount of money they offer, it's really hard. Certainly with Chris Webber, what more could you ask? It'sjust too bad that happened, but that's the way it's going to go. We try to make our student-athletes as they mature in the program under- stand that what we're giving them - that opportunity to give them a degree - will be worth it in the long run. There are many great student-ath- leteshere, bothmenand women, who've been outstanding performers and they get recognized by an NCAA scholar- ship or something like that but it might appear in a small place in the newspa- per. It's never really an important thing to the general public. They don't care. D: When the transition becomes fi- nal next July, how would you like your tenure as athletic director to be remem- bered? W: Well, I guess I'd like to have people believe that we took a good athletic department and moved it fur- ther along and I know when Joe Roberson comes in here, he'll keep it going. I think you look at what's here, they've been a great help to me here, both the ones that were here and the one's that we added. And I'd just like to think that the department is a little better when I leave than when I came in. If people can look at that, I'll be very pleased. RYAN HERRINGTON ~The R. H. Factor Roberson inherits a great responsibility I don't know whether to envy Joe Roberson or pity him. After all, being named Michigan's eighth athletic director seems like a dream come true for any person who has ever considered getting involved in college sports. Being in charge of the No. 1 athletic department in the country, according to the recently published Gourman Report, is an unbe- lievable opportunity, as is becoming a part of the tradition begun by Fielding H. Yost and nurtured for the past 80 years by his successors. Directing 22 sports of which eight have won national championships is something that few of his peers could equal. What more could a person ask for? Yet as intercollegiate athletics looks to the horizon, the view is disap- pointingly gray and cloudy. The national governing body, the NCAA, has become a bureaucratic wasteland with rules so obscure that member schools must have separate faculty keeping up to date on whether Jane Q. Athlete can take a job sweeping floors or whether it has been decided that that will unfairly improve her ground strokes on the tennis court. The NCAA, however, seems to be but an extension of the various athletic departments themselves. When discussing the future of college sports with athletic administrators, it appears that the student-athletes themselves have begun to take a backseat to the issues that concern them. Financial matters, competitiveness and the catch phrase of athletic departments throughout the country - gender equity - have begun to skew the intent of college sports. It is the decision-making process itself which is getting all the attention from athletic administrators. And the ones who are affected by the decisions continue to participate in their sports, winning league championships while wallowing in anonymity. These student-athletes are left to wonder what will drop first - the records they are trying to break, or their scholarships. After approval for the position by the Board of Regents later this month, Roberson will begin a nine-month transition from his job as director of the Campaign for Michigan to his new office on State Street. In these months to come, he will be exposed to much of the good of college athletics. Michigan's fall sports are at an all-time high. The men's and women's cross country squads are both currently among the top five in the country. The field hockey team is in the top 10. However, it won't take much longer than a Tyrone Wheatley kickoff return before Mr. Roberson also sees the dangers that lie ahead. A two-tiered system among existing sports has all but crystallized, calling into question, to some extent, the purpose of college athletics. On the one hand are the "revenue-generating" sports which, as even Michigan's soon-to-be-retired athletic director Jack Weidenbach admits, are in the business of entertainment. On the other hand are the rest of the sports, labeled "non-revenue," where the participants compete in relative obscurity, while fulfilling the vision of being a student-athlete. - Reality is that without football and men's basketball filling their stadiums to near capacity, the athletic department could not fund a majority of its current sports, much less any additions which could occur in the future. In effect, the tail is wagging the dog, for it is the 100 or so student-athletes who compete in the revenue-generating sports who, for all intents and purposes, determine the fate for the rest of the athletic department. But Roberson must not forget the rest of the student-athletes who make the Michigan athletic department so strong. Without the efforts of these non- revenue sports, the school would not have received USA Today's "College Athletic Program of the Year." There is more to this department than simply football and basketball. Roberson has said that he compares his appointment as athletic director to being the president of the United States in that people often fantasize about that position thinking it would be neat, but never really believing they'd be in it someday. Well, someday has come for him and with it are an awful lot of tough decisions to be made. , Roberson, during the press conference that announced his appointment, said that three areas of particular importance would be addressed while he was athletic director - gender equity, funding of higher education and maintaining competitive but clean athletic programs. All of these are noble pursuits and I wish him only the best of luck in correctly addressing those problems. However, I also hope that Roberson will keep in mind exactly who he is working for in his position as AD. It is not the television networks or the alumni that he is supposed to be benefiting. It is the student-athletes who participate each and everyday on the athletic campus. The focus must remain on them, or else the entire point of intercollegiate athletics is lost. With all the pressure that he will face, I understand that Roberson has a daunting task at hand. The economic trap of sports is quite alluring and I don't envy him. I guess that means that I pity him. The R.H. Factor will appear every other week in SPORTSMonday. 'or any administrator one of the most Important parts of the job Is to be essentially a planner, to look ahead and Joe has that ability. We can't look to next year without an Indication of what intercollegiate sports are going to be like at the turn of the century. All of the administrators have that vision and Joe has that vision.' student has as much of a total experi- ence as they can when they're here. D: In regards to the gender equity issue, which has seen Michigan both add and subtract teams, and you men- tion the cost of it, do you see addition or subtraction in the future? W: When the decision was made to phase out men's gymnastics (last March), the understanding was, unfor- tunately, that men's gymnastics was a decliningsport. You'venoticedallover thecountry that schools aredropping it and I think we're down to about 32 schools. The plans are to phase it outas a sport. I think again that you have to con- tinually review what sports are popu- lar in high schools. Soccer, as an ex- ample, isavery, verypopularsportand it's a popular sport on our campus. So it's logical that women's soccer should be introduced and the way we're doing that is phasing out men's gymnastics and adding women's soccer. In effect, we're doing thatfinancial neutral. One offsets the other. But a real difficult case faces the Board of Control and the athletic di- rector and the president in the sense that men's soccer is very popular and the question is how can you add it without getting everything all out of balance. cations. This is the initial draft for our convention in January and it's already got 65 different things in here (to vote on) and when the second publication comes out, you'll find it's probably closer to 100. All the time you do some- thing like that you make it more compli- cated. I don't know how to simplify this. We took a strong position here atMichi- gan against certification, which is some- thing which is now being introduced (Editor's note: Certiication, in which the NCAA would subject member insti- tutions to routine inspections, is being voted on by NCAA members in Jane- ary). We see certification as similar to accreditation and so you're going to havea whole bunch ofpeople coming in for peer review. Our Board of Control and faculty people really thought that was a burden that you don't need because this depart- ment is subject to both internal and external audits which are controlled by the Board of Regents. The athletic director answers directly to the president who has ultimate re- sponsibility. To go through that kind of thing, in my judgment, is what came out of the Knight Commission's recom- mendations. 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