*, , around for a while. And then I also started to sell a lot of acid. W: This is after you got busted? J: Right, after I got busted, before it went to court. I went to court in December of my sophomore year and got three months-on the condition I didn't do any drugs. So, on December 21, 1985 I quit smoking pot. And it was the hardest thing I've ever done-a lot harder than quitting cocaine. That winter I moved out of the dorm, moved in with a bunch a friends in a house. I went to California and got a quarter pound of Extasy. Sold it in four days and made $4000. W: That's right, that's when it was really popular. J: Right. The next week there was a front page article about it in the Daily. I walked into class and thought 'Oh god.' Because after that four days I had gone back and got another pound of it, sold it all and made enough money to pay back my debts and have $4000 left over. But after that I got scared. It got too big, too quick. W: Did you do it? J: Oh, god yes. W: Why did you stop? J: Doing Extasy is a little like doing acid. It's not something you get obsessive with like cocaine. Besides, I started to read a lot about it and realized I could only do so much before I would fuck-up my body. W: I want to backtrack for a second, did you end up doing time? J: They put me in jail for a 90- day sentence and I ended up doing 50 days in Washtenaw County jail. Very boring experience. You sit around all day and read books, and play cards and watch T.V. It just sucks. My first day back I decided to do some crystal LSD. So, to celebrate getting out of jail I drunk the residue and I've never been that high in my entire life. I was so high I couldn't even see anything, it was like rain pouring onto a windshield. I blacked out, I ended up off of Packard by the Krogers with my clothes off and the police picked me up and beat the shit out of me. I got these scars on my wrists from the handcuffs that night (he shows visible scars ) which was about four years ago. Woke up in the hospital and I was still tripping. Two weeks later the cops show up at my door and charge me with disorderly conduct-a violation of my probation. W: So then what happened? J: They decide to send me to rehab. This is second semester junior year. So after I got out I went to A.A., got a job and about once every four months I would do a drug deal. Mostly acid because I knew people in the dorm, for instance, do a lot more acid than cocaine-that's true today. W: So you weren't dealing cocaine anymore. J: I did two deals. I went to New York, got some coke and divided it up. Just from touching the stuff, having it embedded in my fingers, it got into my system. I took a urinalyses the next day and it came out positive. Violation of my probation, they wanted to send me to rehab for nine to twelve months. I went for five months until I got kicked out for not being humble enough. Worst experience of my life. I got out of the farm two years ago and came back to school. W: Any drug deals since then? J: During the summer and the school year after I got kicked out of rehab, I would do an acid deal every couple of months and make ten grand on each one of them. I also did some pot deals. By the end of that year I had saved $50,000. Everything was going swell, I was doing well in school, I was off probation. The following summer I went out to California, I was driving through Arizona and I got stopped at a random inspection. They stripped searched me, found some paraphernalia in my car and a half ounce of weed. Possession of paraphernalia in Arizona is a ten- year felony. They confiscated $2,000 and my car and threw me in jail and wanted me to go to prison. W: What happened? J: I hired a lawyer for $10,000. It cost me $20,000 to get out of the whole thing. Came back with $25,000 left, made some bad investments in the stock market, lost a lot of money. So I came back to school and, since getting busted, have not done too many drugs. W: What made you start dealing in the first place? J: The money. My problem wasn't really~drugs, it was the money-I was addicted to money. Life in the fast lane if you will: eating at The Earle every night, flying to Hawaii for the weekend, gambling. Dealing drugs gave me that money. W: So, after all this, are you going to graduate this year? J: Yeah, I'm going to hang out until I get off of probation at the end of the summer. Then go out to Washington or Oregon for a while, until I get serious, and then probably end up in Chicago. W: Do you see yourself dealing in the future? J: I don't know, maybe a couple of deals, I don't have that much of a clientele anymore. W: Was it easy to deal here? J: Most definitely, students are pretty rich and it's such a closed environment. When I was living in the dorm I was so well protected. How was the city of Ann Arbor going to find out what was going on? W: What do you think of the new pot law? J: I think that trying to enact laws that are aimed at screwing people over who like to casually use drugs, don't work. People are going to use drugs whether there's laws against it or not. People are going to have abortions whether there are laws against it or not. I'm sure there are many pot smokers in Arizona who continue to use it, they just become more careful. It is completely ridiculous to enact laws like that, they just don't work. interview by Mike Sobel U.S. Ambassador He will speak A United Germany:} 250 Hutchir University of Michigz Ambassador Okun, distinguished careE formerly U.S. Ambassador to East Geri Representative at the U.N. Sunday, April 11:00 Al Reception to Sponsored by the Jewish L v I I STUDENT HAVE Act Now! 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