Page 18 - The Michigan Daily - Thursday, September 8, 1988 UNIVERSITY Interview Continued from Page 17 against sexual orientation or (whether to) include sexual orientation as part of affirmative action... the University must take a stronger stance to in- dicate it will not tolerate discrimination of them and to protect those groups. D: Few political protests, in which campus security is involved, run their course without in- volved students claiming security officials have overstepped their authority, harassed, or even brutalized students. In fact, one student has sued the University for the actions taken by one secu- rity officer. In light of student-perceived disillu- sionment with campus security, should any security officers be deputized? JD: The University is the only university in the country in which some form of either deputi- zation or campus police structure is not in place. And I'm not necessarily convinced we're the ones that are right and everyone in the United States is wrong. I also, however, believe student protest is a very valuable component of an insti- tution like this and is an important part of educa- tion. So there may be other ways to make certain abuses on either side do not occur. One of the more interesting ones that has been suggested is the use of observers, which has been done at a number of universities - Berkeley has done it -- in which student and faculty are assigned a job when protests occur of observing in a neutral fashion and then providing a report. But again, even if that occurs, we'll continue to have on one side where security people say they were abused and on the other side where student protesters say they were abused. And it's just characteristic of the unfortunate nature of confrontation which can occur. D: If officers were deputized, it would be through the sheriff's office, which observes state law - specifically, the law regarding marijuana, which conflicts with Ann Arbor's $5 pot law. JD: Wow, that's a good one. I can't imagine - that was certainly not the intent. When this was discussed with the executive officers, there was never any intent of using it in the area of substance abuse. D: The CIA has been accused by students as being a terrorist organization. Students say the University ignores and effectively endorses the organization's criminal acts by allowing the CIA to recruit future employees on campus. Will the University investigate charges against the CIA to set its record straight? JD: I can assure you that as many students who are concerned about the CIA there are an equal number of students iftnot more who view it important that they have the right to interview with the CIA. I don't see how the University can conduct any kind of investigation to determine right or wrong any more than we could investi- gate Proctor and Gamble or a major investment securities firm that comes onto campus. That's not the role of the University. The role of the University is one of openness. At this point we have to provide opportunities for our students to interview with groups they wish to. In a sense, we are not responding to the particular needs of the CIA or to General Motors or to IBM. We are trying to respond to desires of our students. And as long as there are students on campus that de- sire an interview with the CIA, the University should respond to that. D: Would you be in favor of establishing guidelines to exclude groups on the basis of cer- tain criteria, for example, as being terrorists? JD: Again, it strikes me as being somewhat analogous to providing certain parameters around what kind of speakers you would allow to be invited to campus. It's important to provide students and the University community with ac- cess to a broad spectrum of ideas and a broad spectrum of opportunities. We are attempting to be responsive to desires of the student body. It's always very awkward to get into any kind of an evaluation process like this for an institution with simply no capacity to do that. D: Who do you like in the presidential race - Bush or Dukakis? J D: Who are they? Part of the difficulty is that I don't think either candidate has really come down and stated clearly how they're going to approach the most important issues for this country. I haven't seen enough of either candi- date to make that judgement. My view of Bush is that he is still in Reagan's shadow. My view of Dukakis is he's a governor the state of Mas- sachusetts would be delighted to become presi- dent. D: Why do you make so much money? JD: Do I make a lot of money? Compared to my colleagues in the medical school I don't make much money at all. The compensation level of a president is set primarily relative to peer institutions. It is the case that if I were a chief executive officer of a billion-and-a-half- dollar corporation, I would be making probably five to ten times as much as I'm making right now. In fact, I've had the opportunity to do that in the past. But I've found the academic life much more challenging. I'll be quite candid and say that I have never negotiated a level of com- pensation of salary in my life for myself, which my wife sometimes thinks that I haven't been aggressive enough. And in this case the level of compensation is set by the board of regents to be consistent both with what President Shapiro had earned earlier and with what other presidents at major public institutions around the country re- ceive. So it's really set more than anything else outside of the environment of the institution. Issue Stana An expanded "There is an increasing sense that code of non- abdication of (the University's) academic responsibility for moral develop- ment is not appropriate. Educa- COnduCt tion occurs outside the classroom as well as within." Presidential "Who are they? My view of Bush Canidates is that he is kind of in Reagan's shadow. My view of Dukakis is he's a governor that the state of Massachusetts would be delighted to become president." His Salary "Compared to my collegues in the ($130,000+) medical school, I don't make much money at all. If I were a chief executive officer of a billion- and-a-half-dollar corporation, I would be making probably five to ten times as much as I'm making right now. In fact, I've had the op- portunity to do that in the past." Divestment from "If the autonomy issue can be South Africa resolved, there seems to be some evidence to suggest that the re- mainder of the portfolio would be divested. But the autonomy issue is a very important one to the in- stitution and to its quality." Universijty "Really it involves as much as Eniertanything else respect and under- ducation standing and appreciation of diversity, seeking diversity rather than simply tolerating it." Student "While I think there have been -ciimmany people who have expressed serious concern, I think the vast majority of our campus has been quite apathetic and has not participated as they should in moving together toward this objective of diversity." New Students. Do you want to start off your college career on the right foot and be a part of a 93 year old campus tradition? If so, then order your Michigan Ensian yearbook today. It's easy to do. Just fill out the tab attached to your SVF form and hand it in at CRISP when you register for classes. ENSIAN You will be glad you did. 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