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you, remain an active member?
R: Because first of all that is not
the essence of Christianity and
secondly you don't change things by
l;eaving them. This kind of position
of the Catholic Bishops does not
represent the majority view of the
Catholic people so there's a concern
to mobilize this sort of ethical,
theological thought in an alternative
position within that religious com-
munity itself. And also, of course,
for that society.
This is like saying, "if you don't
like Reagan, why not leave the
country?" and I don't think you'd ask
me that about citizenship so I don't
see why you'd ask me that about a
religious community.
D: It's easier to leave a religious
community.
R: It may be if you have no
identity with it but that's not my
position.
D: A lot of people do it.
R: They do. Alot of people
emigrate (from) countries too.
(laughs)
D: What do you feel is the reason
behind the official church position
on homosexuality?
R: Well the official position on
homosexuality is based on the
notion that only reproductive sex is
allowable and therefore any non-
reproductive sex , heterosexual or
homosexual is a sin. That's the
official root of that. that has very
little relevance to real human
relationships so it's part and parcel
of a whole complex, inadequate
sexual ethics. It happens that prob-
ably 40 percent of the Roman Cath-
olic clergy is homosexual so they're
also doing a big cover-up job.
D: So they're afraid to come to
grips with that?



R : Yeah, right but the
Protestants are too
D: How do you feel about the
celibacy rule?
R: Celibacy never should have
been attached to ordination in the
first place. It belongs to the mon-
astic tradition, it doesn't belong to
the ordained ministry.
D: Is that something else you
would work for?

'The reason the church opposes reproductive
rights has very little to do with concern for
children and a lot to do with concern f or
controlling women.'
-Rosemary Radford Reuther
R: Yes. One of the reasons we're things which have to do with control
not getting adequate sexual ethics is over human population, it should
that one has sexuality being done ask questions about how the
primarily by celibate males with a university is simply occupying
very immature attitude towards sex- space in terms of housing and the
uality and women. capacity to have adequate housing for
D: I know that we just talked low income people. All of these
about this, but when you have all questions are appropriate.
these problems...
R: Don't ask me that again. I Of course, you should ask how
answered it! Please don't ask me one the university is performing as just
more time why I don't leave the simply a human community. Is it
church. I answered that question, I'm just stamping out robots for the
not going to discuss it again. system (laughs) or is it really being
D: Okay, but it seems the whole a genuine community of personal
reason the Episcopal church was set intellectual growth. A lot of times
~ I donthe bias of the university is not to
Rp: I don't want to be an ask any of these ethical questions
Episcopalian, it's not my and these are not extraneous ques-
community! tions. These are questions about
D: So you see it as very dimensions of the university's own
cultural? work but there's a notion that the
R: No. I have an identity with university has a right to function in
this community and I belong toit. a value free framework tends to mean
I'm in solidarity with a whole that these kinds of deeper aspects of
network of reform movements with- human relationship are treated as
in that community and that's where I though they are sort of ignorable or
want to be. It is as irrelevant as if marginable in the university project.
you asked me why I don't leave the D: To what extent do you think
United States because I don't like the university has succeeded in even
Ronald Reagan. addressing these problems?
D: What do you think the role of R: Oh, I don't think they address
the church should be in a secular them at all unless people are there to
government? raise them. I think their method-
R: I think the role of biblical ology tends to exclude them and
faith-based-religion is to play the write them out of what is even
advocate of a just and good society discussable in the language of the
and really try to uplift what we university.
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groups and in terms of the large
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D: Is there a similar role it
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