d The Michigan Daily-Thursday, April 17, 1980-Page 7 Landlords discuss rental EDITOR'S NOTE: Five campus- area landlords recently agreed to share their perspectives on the Ann Arbor rental housing situation with *hree Daily staff members in a joint interview. Together, the five lan- dlords own some 500 rental units. Some owned less than 20, while one owned more than 100. These lan- dlords, who oversee their property without the services of a rental management company, said their views are probably somewhat dif- ferent than those of the larger com- #anies. Following are excerpts from the landlords' discussion: Fourth in a seven-part series Landlord profits "If landlords are making so much money, why aren't new buildings being McKinley and some of the other rent structures. They set the tone. You look at their increases, and they're based on increased operating costs. And we just assume we have the same as theirs, ex- cept that we have a lower overhead. "We are all charging near the economic limit. I'm sure some of us are less than the others. Just for an exam- ple, gas went up 30 per cent. If we don't increase rent, then we can't pay the gas bill, and so what's happened is all the landlords have gotten this 30 per cent increase in gas, and as a result, you have an increase in rent for the fall, and part of it is to take care of this 30 per cent gas increase. "Now, if there's an increase next year, and we have to pay money in ,security deposits and interests, that eats away at that margin of profits, and at the end of the year, you analyze, and 'The students don't know anything about University medi- ation, but they sure as hell know about the tenants union. It's counter-productive.' -An Ann Arbor landlord speaking about the Tenants Union's attempts to prganize renters built? If it's so profitable, then why isn't everyone getting on the bandwagon? The reason is, the only way they can be run profitably really are by small lan- dlords that can do things themselves and run their buildings very efficiently. "As soon as you get into the big com- elexes that are run by a management company in a large complex, you'll find that there isn't any money being made, 4nd that the only reason it's there is for a tax shelter for somebody who has in- vested." Rents: "As I look at my average rents, they're always a little bit even below what the University average rent is. "The rental market is being deter- mined by the large organizations, Arab-Israeli land dispute focus of Official's talk By DAVID MEYER The continued occupation of the Israelisoccupied West Bank and Gaza Strip areas is essential to the security of ,Israel, but negoti tions with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and the establishment of a neighboring Palestinian state are not out of the question, according to Roni illo, the youngest member of the Israeli Parliament. Millo, 30, was interviewed Tuesday during his brief stop at the University to 4ddress a faculty luncheon. He said to return the occupied territory, which was captured by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War, to Palestine could mean the destruction of Israel and therefore can- hot be considered.. I"For us (Israelis), the question of existence . . . is not a theoretical question," Millo said, warning that if Israel had been confined to its pre-1967 borders during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel would have been destroyed. MILLO, WHO has been a member of Israel's "noisy" Parliament for three years, went on to say that if the PLO recognized Israel's right to exist, however, negotiations between the two fierce enemies would be possible. "As Israelis, as Jews, we are very much *ware of the right of self-determination of all people-including Palestinians," Millo said. Yet, any Palestinian state that was established as a result of such negotiations could not be established in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank area of the Jordan River, Millo said. Instead, Millo suggested, a Palestinian state should be formed in Jordan on the East Bank area of the Jordan River. That *area, Millo said, is already 70 per cent Palestinian. Millo said it has always been the goal of Israel to seek peaceful relations with Its neighbors. "This is the reason we made fundamental concessions (in the 1978 peace treaty) to make peace with Egypt," Millo said. Millo said he felt U.S. involvement in Israeli-Egyptian negotiations had been generally beneficial, but that the U.S. sometimes was a biased mediator. * "Sometimes, we (Israelis) have the feeling that the United States is not playing the game of an honest broker," Millo said, indicating that the United States' impartiality in the negotiations was sometimes swayed by interests in Arab oil. nmonaru~ if that margin isn'tthere, then you just have to raise your rents more." Student tenants: "We find that when they get out of the dorm, the first time they're renting, you have problems. . . they're wet behind the ears." "You get a graduate student that's rented for a couple years, and you find a marked difference in how an apar- tment is kept, and just when to call and not to call. And typically, that's one of my criteria. I need a landlord referen- ce. I will not rent to a first-time renter. "One of the things that's driving costs up is just plain destructiveness by students. It's amazing to believe that a kid, going to college and with a certain amount of smarts up here, the kind of things they'll do in a building. Either grafitti, marking up walls, kicking in doors, stealing fire hoses. I'm currently spending about $900 on new fire hoses and nozzles because they came along and clipped every fire hose." "They have to be responsible for their track record. . . and that is why a lot of them are finding it hard to rent, because if they haven't established a track record, you don't want to take a chance. "I don't want a minister reference or anything. I want a landlord." The Tenants Union: "The Tenants Union is really counter- productive in what they're trying to achieve. In other words, they are creating not community between the landlord and tenant, but. . . litigation, everything has to go to litigation. Their whole philosophy is that being in business in rental property is not right. "I think you're saying it's a step toward socialism. "That's right. In fact, I asked a tenant union representative just what he thought.. . when you take your ren- ts and deduct all your expenses, what should be left over as profit. Well, that was a sin to mention profits. In other words, why nothing ... you should be doing this just for the fun of it. They do not understand private enterprise, and indeed, a profit should be made after all expenses. For some reason, we're sup- posed to be a private welfare agency, or just break even - do it for kicks. It's not a good way of making a living. The Tenants Union attempting to organize renters; "Well, if they do that, certainly on a short term basis, it's a good deal for the tenants. But the question comes up: What does it do for the overall picture, and if all my tenants organized, the only thing I could do is to raise their rents. If they organize-and do all the maintenance for the whole city - then rents would go up all over the city." "If tenants want to organize, then this will break down the rapport between the landlords and the tenant because you have a third party. The students don't know anything about University mediation, but they sure as hell know about the tenants union. It's counter- productive." "I think this country became great on free enterprise, and if they want to regulate free enterprise, then it's not going to work out." "It's pretty easy for the tenants to put up roadblocks. You've got to remember students will be establishing their track record, and they'll be held accountable for it." The University and the housing market: "If the University chooses to be in the rental market, they should be under the same regulations as the landlords. Specifically, they pay no taxes on their North Campus property, which means their rents are being subsidized by the rest of the people in the state and city. They pay no property tax in the city. "This even extends to the inspections. This Pie in the Sky, God, Motherhood, and Country of health and safety that the inspectors contend that is the reason we need the codes are not ap- plicable to those rental units on North Campus. I ask you, why? Why should they be exempt? Is there a state law that makes them immune from providing safe and healthy property? "A dorm would be a good example. They have two people in a room much smaller than we as landlords can provide to the tenants." The book landlords are required to distribute to their tenants: "There's a lot of good information, there's no question about it - it's good. But it's some 50 pages long. Who's going to read it, and think of the expen- se to produce that thing in three dif- ferent colors. "It's just one more example of a cost to the taxpayer. "To force me to hand out someone else's opinion is wrong. . . especially when you don't agree with it." The proposal that would require landlords to pay interest on tenants' security deposits: "By the landlords paying the six per Thursday, April 17, 1980 IR1 BLACK Department of Neurology Cornell Medical Center Regulation of Neuronal Development MHRI Conference room 1057 3:45 to 5:00 p.m. TEA 3:15 p.m. MHRI lounge cent interest, they're going1 charge the tenant maybe sev to take care of bookkeeping this type of thing, so they'rec convinced it's going to cost more money." "But it's publicly and p good bill to pass. It's rea benefit, and it hurts the tena landlord both." Housing inspections: "I think that most of usc maintenance all along. Ther dlords that don't, I'm sure th a bad name. "Normally, I don't go in ap and nose around. It does give cuse, when every two to th when I'm going to have an in call up the tenants and tell t the inspection's going to be, them I'm coming through a at the apartment. And I foun paint job. If the guy had toldn ths before that the paint w housing to have to probably would have gone ahead and costs, and painted it. But I didn't go into his apar- completely tment ... until I went in to prep it for the tenant inspection. .. and I think that's true: when you get ready for the test, you olitically a prepare for it. But I don't know that I ally of no can be criticized for not knowing the at and the paint was bad in the guy's apartment. "They don't know when to call you and when not to call you. They think they're doing you a favor by not do regular bothering you." re are lan- About being landlords: hey give us We're glad we're in the business. "Anybody can get in the business. We partments, went to the University of Michigan and me an ex- the whole thing and we were engineers, ree years, and we were laid off. We wanted to stay hem when in Ann Arbor and we had to put on a dif- and I tell ferent hat. 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