The Michigan Daily-Saturday, May 13, 1978-Page 15
Fleming looks back on career

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"Much of my time and energy was ab-
sorbed in student activities and coping
with that - hopefully ina fair way."
Fleming said he "placed great value
on the University as a place where
people could voice all kinds of different
opinions." But it was a difficult task
keeping a careful balance between law
and order and allowing the students a
free reign on campus, he said.
Fleming said he was concerned that
the public would get angry about cam-
pus violence and want something done
to preserve law and order. He said he
worried about the conservative
movement "going too far."
ON THE OTHER hand, said Fleming,
"you couldn't let students just tear the
place to pieces." He said the students
could have caused permanent damage
to the image of the University, "which,
after all, you've got to persuade the
public to support."
"So there's always a delicate
problem," said Fleming. "How do you
strike a fair balance?" The problem,
according to Fleming, was allowing the
students to express their opinions while
exercising responsibility, "about
property, about other people and so for-
th."
Fleming, a veteran labor arbitrator,
said in 1968 that the best way to resolve
a dispute was not to meet in the middle
- "That's not compromise, that's ab-
dication of responsibility."
KNOWING THAT there was nothing
he could do which would meet with
everyone's approval, Fleming said he
was trying "not to leave a heritage
among the students and faculty of bitter
animosity."
The days of demonstration and pro-
test to some extent altered the role of
students in affecting change in the
University, suggested Fleming.
Relaying impressions and ideas
through analogiesand anecdotes-as
he often does-Fleming analyzed the
changing university studentrole
through the West European experience,
particularly West Germany. In the final
analysis Fleming said the anti-war
days "changed the students' sense of
tactics."
FLEMING SAID that he wished
"students would take a more active role
in their student government." He ex-
pressed doubt, however, that they ever
would.
In general Fleming said he doesn't
believe that studentsare as "apathetic
as some people think they are." Accor-
ding to Fleming, "there is clearly a
residue of the earlier period (the '60s)
left."
Fleming said some students still use
the "group" type of tactics developed in
the anti-war period such as sit-ins and
picketing.
"WE OUGHT always be grateful that
there are young people who don't ac-
cept the fact that the situation has to be
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the way it is and are striving to change
it," said Fleming.
Throughout Fleming's University
career there have been two issues
which have evoked strong and con-
tinuous protest: the University's in-
vestments in corporations which do
business in South Africa and University
involvement with the Central In-
telligence Agency (CIA).
The South African issue, which was
first raised on this campus in 1965 by
the Students for a Democratic Society
(SDS), has been a major campus issue
twice during Fleming's career.
OF THE RECENT report to the
Senate Foreign Relation written by
Senator Dick Clark (D-Iowa), which
states that American corporations have
only helped the development of apar-
theid in South Africa, Fleming said: "I
don't necessarily assume the Clark
report is right."
Fleming says that apartheid "is a
wrong as it can be," but that divestiture
is at most only a gesture.
"If you say to me, 'I think you ought
to divest in order to protect human
rights,' as a matter of judgment, I don't
see how that's going to protect
anybody's human rights."
REGARDING the CIA's involvement
with faculty members, Fleming said,
"I'm not sensitive on that issue at all."
He added that he believes it is a matter
for the faculty's consideration.
Dating back to the haydays of SDS,
students have protested CIA recruit-
ment on campus and faculty in-
volvement with the Agency. Recently
released CIA documents have shown
that the CIA has used "campus contac-
ts" to spy on students who have leftist
political leanings.
"I think it's a legitimate problem,"
said Fleming. ut he believes the
faculty shouldhhandle it. "We don't
normally tell them what to do about
their business and initially it's their
problem," he said.
However, Fleming saie has no ob-
jection to the Harvard guidelines which
would force faculty members to make
public all connections with government
intelligence agencies.
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