i Students pin down Ford on issues (Continued from Page 4) clusion. I was not familiar with that as a hinderance to a per- son coming in to the United States. I think that is a matter that ought to be looked at and I will have the people do so. Q. Mr. President, with all the discussion about breaking up large oil firms and General Mo- tors, do you feel it is about time that something is done about the more powerful unions? A. I firmly believe in the right of employes or workers to join the union of their choice. We have major international unions today that are well or- ganized, do have a significant impact on our economy. Just because a union is big I don't think it's bad - it depends on a number of factors: its leader- ship, its method of negotiating. We do have two very import- ant pieces of legislation that affect the union movement. First the Taft - Hartley Act which I support and two, the Landrum - Griffin bill which I also support. Those pieces of legislation provide a proper procedure and method for re- cognition of unions for the hand- ling of labor - management problems. The Landrum - Grif- fin bill takes care of many abuses within labor organiza- tions: graft, corruption, etc. I repeat what I said a moment ago: I don't think just because a union is big it's bad. If there are abuses then they ought to be attacked under the existing law. Q. Do you ever feel they're getting maybe a little bit too section 236 so its not accurate powerful or more powerful than to say that administration has the companies themselves? not done something in public A. It's honestly, my judg- housing section 235, section 236 ment that we've got a fairly and section 8 - all of those good balance. programs are aimed at meeting Q. Most people who are enter- the problem of the less well off ing the housing market today, and the disadvantaged. Now, (only) one half of them can af- leaving the subsidized housing ford their homes. And the fact program, we also have released that rental prices are soaring d3.5 billion in what we call across the country - much 'tandem financing where if a builder wants to build a house higher than the rate of inflation under conventional financing he - in our large cities and com- has to agree to build a house munities similar to Ann Arbor under subsidized housing pro- -they're raising 10 to 15 per grams and in that way we have cent, in some areas, 20 per substantially aided the housing cent. Your administration has markets for the single family done little to aid public housing, homes. One other point: I rec- has down little to drive down ognize that down payments are the cost of the private (inaudi- too high, that the monthly pay- ble). I would like to know your ments in many cases are far: answer to this problem. too high but we have some ideas' A. First, I don't believe that in both areas and if you listen an administration can drive tonight you might hear some- down prices. It never has work- thing encouraging. ed, it never will work. You can do something about the rate Q. Mr. President, the tuition of inflation and we've done costs in the last few years have something about that, but price been rising on almost all cam- controls have never worked and puses and the subsidy, percent- they won't work in the future. age-wise that the federal gov- There is a better way of get- ernment has been providing is ting our economy under con- going down. Do you foresee trol as far as inflation is con- putting in any kind of acts to cerned. Now, I respectfully dis- help students, like increasing agree with you thatthis admin- loansand subsidizing tuition in istration has done nothing in the the near future? field of housing. In 1975, De- cember, I signed a massive A. Let me give you some fig- housing bill which was worked ures that I think show that we've out between the Secretary of tried to be helpful in the so- HUD, Carla Hills and the House called basic educational oppor- and Senate conferees which tunity grant program. I recom- provided a very substantial ren- mended, and Congress will fully tal program under section eight fund it - it's a-billion 379 mil- for the disadvantaged. It's a lion dollars, it'll help roughly a very successful program where million 300 thousand students there is a subsidy of the rental; throughout the country. We have for people who cannot afford recommended 240 million dol- out of their income to pay their tars, roughly, for supplemental rent. I don't recall the precise educational opportunity grants. amount but to my recollection, The Congress increased that by it's well over a billion dollars. about 120 million, so roughly And that includes publichous- 400 million in that program. ing as well as section 235 and We recommended $400 million subsidy for the Bank Loan or Loan Guarantee program so that roughly a billion dollars will be loaned to students under that program, again helping approxi- mately one million students. We have granted - recommended 44 - and Congress approved 11( smillion for the developing uni. ; versities and about half of tha 6 goes to our black colleges - e private black colleges - be .cause of their unique and diffi cult circumstances. And the work-study program which is about $240 million, Congress added, as I recall, another $50 1or 100 million to that. There are one or two others - as I re- call, a total of about $4 billion, roughly all together. Now, I recognize it's still a problem. 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Cities Now, I recognizb your tuition costs have gone up and as I was coming from the airport today I was talking to my wife - and this is hard to believe - but when I came here in 1931, tuition was $50 a semes- ter for a Michigan resident. The truth is I had to borrow the $100 to go. I got a loan from the high school student book- store fund. That's the only way I gt dwnhere. I don't know what your tuition isdnow-five or six hundred? (someone shouted $480). Q. Some of the problems you mentioned that you would tailor the middle income and upper in- come needs. A lot of the middle income people are feeling the crunch because they don't get money because they make just enough not to get scholarships and loans and not enough to offard the $5000 or 6 to send someone to put them up for a year. A. I fully agree that that is a problem. You have a family with let's say, $10-15,000 income, they have one or two children in college, they are in very dif- ficult economic status-I agree with that. So we're trying to find ways in which those unique circumstances can be remedied. We're working with the Office d neet that problem. v Q. Mr. President, a particular :oncern of mine is your positio )n a lot of women's issues an e ne concern is, I don't reall inderstand your rationale an I'd like to know if you thin there are women, presently wh are competent enough to serve on the Supreme Court of thi country and also how well yo are committed to appointing women within your administra- tion should you get re-elected again in November. A. One of the improvements we've made in this administra tion in two years has been the number of women that have been appointed to very high posts. First we have a member of the Cabinet, Carla Hills, Sec- retary of HUD, the head of the National Labor Relations Board, Betty Murphy, a very important assignment. I have for the first time in the history of the United States, appointed a woman am- bassador to Great Britain. First time in the history of the United States and I don't recall the pre- cise statistics but it was shown me the other day that we have ' more women in positions of portance in this administration than at any other in the history of this country. Q. What about the Supreme Court? A. Alright now, at the time I was considering the appoint- ments-the one Justice that I had an opportunity to appoint- there were two women who were in the top five or six, and I appointed somebody else but there was no discrimination. Women were among those ac- tively considered. I have sup- ported the ERA (in response to background chants of 'What about ERA?') and let me tell you a story-if you want verifi- cation, you talk to Martha Grif- fiths-you know Martha don't you? She was the principal pro- ponent of ERA in the House of Representatives. The Democrat- controlled R u le s Committee wouldn't let that amendment get out of the Rules Committee for consideration on the floor of the House. And so they had a dis- charge petition-a discharge pe- tition says that if 218 members of the House sign their names then thatbill or that Constitu- tional amendment has to come to the floor of the House. It's automatic, it bypasses the Rules Committee. At the time it was getting short. They had 201 members that signed the peti- tion and they needed 218-that's one over half in the House of Representatives. Martha Grif- fiths came to me and she said, "Would I get 17 Republicans to sign the petition?" and I got 17 in one day. They signed the pe- tition and same to the floor and it was passed by the House by over a two-thirds majority, pass- ed by the Senate and it was then sent to the states and as I recall, it's shy three or four state legislative actions. I not only LADIES' & CHILRDEN'S SPECIALTIES DASCOLA STYLISTS By Experienced Personnel Arborland-971-9975 Maple Villge-761-2733 Liberty off State-668-9329I East U at South U- 662-0354 e voted for it but I was the on o that got the necessary petitio signers to bring it to the floo r of the House of Representative n ! Q. How can you justify d your membership in Michi- y gama which is one of the d most sexist organizations at k the University? o Q. It's a violation of Titl e IX and supposedly the HEW s who has the authority to tak their funds away but its no being enforced by you, its no - being enforced by HEW and it certainly not being enforced b the University. A. Well I think that's a judg - ment that has to be made a the local level. Q. Not according to the Titl IX legislation. A. I think that there can b some very ridiculous decision made under Title IX. Q. Well it (Michigama) sup posedly has an incredible em ployment network . . . A. I never got any employmen because of my membership in Michigama. Q. I have a question abou structural unemployment policy A. That's a very good ques tion. .. Q. I've been looking and there seem to be very favorable trends in businesses and capi tal goods purchasing, a project. ed very strong automotive year -all of which tends to predict a stable recovery and a con sistent reduction of unemploy ment. But of the 7.5 million people unemployed there exists a substantial number whom such advancement in the aggre gate economic level will not be reached. And traditional ag- gregate demand fiscal policies neither reached that, consistent with price stability. The Demo- crats have given a whole gam- ut of structural unemployment policies ranging from public em- ployment to now private sector investment centers and train- ing programs. You traditionally have said that the most stable means to reduce unemployment is through a rising economic system. I wonder if you might have any alterations in that position. A. Five out of the six jobs in our economy today come out of our private sector and as we have expanded and improved the status of our economy we have added some 4 million jobs in the last 17 months. Now we have some serious problems, the construction industry in our industrial society has been the slowest to recover. We have roughly 17 per cent unemploy- ment in the construction trades. It's caused by two things: one, the multi-family home building industry has been very slow to recover but I think some actions we took within the last two weeks will change that. And that will help significant- ly in the construction industry unemployment problem. Fur- thermore, this economic recov- ery has been caused primarily by consumer confidence. Busi- nessmen have been slow to ex- pand their industrial capacity. And as a consequence there has been no heavy construction. That again has had an adverse impact on the unemployment among construction workers. But in the last month there has been significant improvement in proposed corporate capital investment in plant expansion and modernization. So we have MASS MEETI e two good things going f a that will pick up after th r sumer confidence improv s. which is multi-family h rand two. the expansion ( industrial capacity. Now Sone problem structural i ployment-wise that has serios - and I do't thi e I Democrats or ourselves V done as well as we should i e regard - and that's i t vonth and in particnlarl t' minority youth. And if y s ten tonight maybe you'll y something in it. Q. Mr. President, I'd - to ask you a question t I abortion. it seems in the miblican nlNtform, that e pint'nml hn come out f ' congtitntinnaq amend e a!?inqt abortion that you s to renorters on more one occasion. that you f I- 1*vinr it n to the st -i T'A liketo know inst i side von want to stay o t v nwant to leave it in t sttes or do von favor a cIitttinal amendment t ning it everywhere? An yn" want to leave it up t - states, what wnvld von - abouit the state in which ewere to live? . I'Tre not only favored - T'ue co-introdiiced what -enown as the States' r Amendment to the Consti, which would permit the 3 in ea"h of the 50 states to a denision as to what they :d to do on this uiesti hannen to believe in the 'idament of the people of state. I don't see how you deny the right of the peo voters-to make that dec Yore believe in people, i ers, von ought to favor amendment rather than a unalterable road-blocking some have advocated. Now t mpndment gives the right to the peole in the stat Michigan and 49 other st I introduced that in March r - I still believe it and I've everhodv mnblicly and other th:t I do. There is no equi tion on my hart in that re Back in 1972 in the stat Michigan there was a ref dum under our new con. tion which permitted not an amendment to the state stitution but the actual, by erendum. enactment by law. And the proposalc before the people of Mic in 1972 which said that u twenty weeks there could b abortion on demand and twenty weeks it was restri That amendment in the of Michigan, voted on by people was defeated by per cent.tBut that's the j ment of the people and if believe in them you ough abide by them. I do. Q. What is your personal v A. I voted against the posal. Q. Representatives R Kastenmeier, Parren Mitc Ronald Dellums, a few cong men, have alleged that U.S. Justice Department the State of North Car have been guilty of col through. Robert Mardian, ing convicted felons who 1 perjured testimony. Repres tive Conyers has conducted committee hearigs on a committeeon crime on this ticular topic as it involved case of ten individuals f North Carolina (inaudible) think the evidence in this Q has been fairly well docum' ed. He has subpoenaed pa and documents from the tice department allocated the purpose of silencing ed by the Justice Departn and by the Firearms Bur as beine a dangerous bh leader. These charges are ing investigated by (inaudil nlaces like Newsweek, T Wicker of The New York Tip qnd many, many other peo What I'd like to ask you 17onld von, with your author authorize the investigation the Jlistice Department. I m: add that the Justice Departir agerts - no the Treasury nartment agent who is rest sible for this is still with Justice Department. A. Not Mr. Mardian... 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