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AAU, NCAA Fail to Reach Peace in Talks
NORTHWESTERN DROPS TO NINTH:
Alabama Takes Over Top Grid Ranking
NEW YORK (A) -- A govern-
ment-proposed peace meeting
between the AAU and NCAA
dragged into its 12th hour early
Tuesday with no reported pro-
gress despite late-hour efforts
by Attorney General Robert F.
Kennedy.
The Attorney General joined
the meeting shortly after 9 p.m.
but 32 hours later newsmen
keeping a watch outside the
closed-door session were told
there was nothing to announce.
MSU Sweeps
Cross Country
In Big Ten
IOWA CITY (A') - Michigan
State placed all five of its runners
among the top 16 finishers to win
the Big Ten Cross-Country Cham-
pionships yesterday.
Individual winner was Allen Car-
ius of Illinois, who took the lead
in the third mile and completed
the four-mile run on South Fink-
bine Golf Course in 19:45.2, bet-
tering the course record he set
here in an October dual meet.
Carius won' a battle with Iowa's
Larry Kramer for the individual
crown. Kramer finished second.12
seconds back.
Michigan State's winning low
team total was 39 points. Iowa was
second with 64, followed by Wis-
consin with 83, Illinois 104, Ohio
State 114, Indiana 129, Minnesota
139. Northwestern did not enter a
full team and Michigan and Pur-
due did not compete.
Other leading finishers included:
3, Jan Bowen, Michigan State,
20:09.0; 4, Gary Fischer, Iowa,
20:19; 5, Roger Humbarger, Mich-
igan State, 20:24; 6, Frank Parks,
Ohio State, 20:25; 7, Donald
Castle, Michigan State, 20:26; 8,
Michael Kaines, Michigan State,
20:31; 9, Donald Loker, Wisconsin,
20:34; 10, Steve Hibler, Indiana,
20:37; 11, Gregory Gard, Wiscon-
sin, 20:42; 12, Lyle Myers, Minne-
sota, 20:44; 13, Art Campbell, In-
diana, 20:50; 14, George Clarke,
Iowa, 20:56; 15, Jim Connors, Wis-
consin, 21:01; 16, Robert Fulcher,
Michigan State, 21:02.
It was reported that there was
discussion over submitting the
dispute to binding arbitration.
Kennedy, in his shirt-sleeves
and tie loosened at the collar,
had held separate caucuses with
the two factions and joint con-
versations with leaders of each
group.
NEW YORK (') - The AAU
and NCAA, feuding over control
of amateur athletics in the United
States, made "no progress' yester-
day after a six-hour peace meet-
ing.
The warring factions agreed to
meet again last night after a din-
ner break.
Attorney General Robert F.
Kennedy, who was scheduled to
sit in as an official mediator, was
held up in Washington and did
not appear at the afternoon ses-
sion. However, he was summoned
during the dinner break and flew
here in time to attend the night
meeting. At midnight there still
was no progress reported.
No Conciliation
Neither AAU nor NCAA officials
would comment on the progress
of the meetings. But an official
spokesman said they made no
progress in their attempts to iron
out their differences.
"The key to the whole dispute
appears to be the question of open
competition," the spokesman said.
"The NCAAj wants to have dual
sanctions on open track and field
meets. The AAU refuses, pointing
out that it is against the rules of
the International Amateur Ath-
letic Federation. s
"That's what they talked about
most of the day. They're no closer
together than they were at the be-
ginning of the year."
The meeting was called by the
board of directors of the United
States Olympic Association. Pres-
ident Tug Wilson presided: He was
aided by Vice-President Doug
Roby of Detroit and Secretary Asa
Bushnell of New York.
Time Running Out
"We have only five months to
get prepared for the Pan Ameri-
can Games next year," said Art
Lentz, assistant executive director
of the U. S. Olympic Committee.
"This argument is keeping us from
getting a lot of our work done.
That's why we are interested in
settling it quickly."
The AAU and NCAA now have
had eight meetings under the di-
rection of the Olympic Associa-
tion.
On hand for the AAU were Ex-
ecutive S e c r e t a r y Don Hull,
Charles Ornstein of Chicago and
Jay-Ehert Mahoney, first vice-
president from 'New York. AAU
President Louis Fisher of High
Point, N. C., could not make the
meeting.
Walt Byers, executive director,
Bob Kane, athletic director at
Cornell; and Tom Hamilton, com-
missioner of the Big Six Confer-
ence, formed the NCAA negotiat-
ing team.,
Reach Stalemate
"They spent most of the morn-
ing sparring and the afternoon re-
hashing their old proposals and
sparring back and forth. They
definitely reached a stalemate."
Nicholas Roddis of the State De-
partment represented Kennedy.
He reportedly urged the two or-'
ganizations to settle their differ-
ences and told them the govern-
ment - still not involved official-
ly - was anxious to have peace.
He declined comment when he
emerged from the meeting.
Before he entered the confer-
ence, Byers said: "These federa-
tions are in existence and won't
be dissolved under any circum-
stances."
Said Hull: "There is no way the
AAU can share sanctioning privi-
leges with any other organization.
It would tear down our whole ath-
letic structure."
Byers had, in addition to his
two official aides, a 10-man en-
tourage, representing other feder-
ations affiliated with the NCAA.
By The Associated Press
The Crimson Tide of Alabama
rolled into first place in the ever-
changing weekly college football
rankings yesterday with Southern
California a strong second in a!
photo finish.
Northwestern, last week's lead-
er, dropped all the way down to
ninth place after losing to Wis-
consin, 37-6. The defeat of North-
western reduced the ranks of the'
major college unbeaten and untied
teams to four-Alabama, Southern
California, Mississippi and un-
ranked Dartmouth, the Ivy League
leader. Two other majors remain-
ed unbeaten but tied once. They
are Texas and Missouri.
The top ten, rated on a 10-9-8-
etc. basis, with first place votes in
parentheses and season records:
Celtics Blast Royals, 137-126,
To Close Margin on Nationals
1. Alabama (22)
2. So. Calif. (17)
3. Mississippi (3)
4. Wisconsin (8)
5. Texas
6. Missouri
7. Arkansas
8. Minnesota
9. Northwestern
10. Louisiana State
Others receiving
WLTPts.
8 0 0 455
7 0 0 445
7 0 0 375
6 1 0 328
7 0 1-224
7 0 1 224
7 1 0 196
5 1 1 152
6 1 0 119
6 1 1 77
votes, listed
alphabetically (first place vote in
parentheses):
Arizona State, Auburn, Dart-
mouth, Georgia Tech, Nebraska,
Oklahoma, Oregon, Oregon
State, Penn State (1), Purdue,
Washington.
All of the rated teams have two
games to play, except Southern
California, which still has three.
The schedule does not pair any of
them except for a Nov. 24 meeting
of Wisconsin and Minnesota.
Alabama still has Georgia Tech
and Auburn to play in that order.
Southern California has Navy,
UCLA and Notre Dame.
BOSTON (IP)-The Boston Cel-
tics' blistering fast-break attack
overwhelmed the Cincinnati Roy-
als, 137-126, in an NBA game last
night.
The Celtics, with Bill Russell
dominating the backboards and
Bob Cousy setting up the plays,
led 23-10, after six minutes. By
the end of the quarter the Celtics
had pushed this margin up to
41-21 and the Royals fell behind
by 25 points early in the second
period.
Boston led at halftime, 73-55,
and at the end of the third period,
113-92.
Tom Heinsohn paced the win-
ners with 25 points despite playing
only half the contest.
Cincinnati's Oscar Robertson
and Jack Twyman shared game
honors with 26 points each. Sam
Jones had 19 for Boston as did
Cousy.dRussell hauled down 32
rebounds.
NBA Results
Eastern Division
Pro Grid
Results
Syracuse
Boston
Cincinnati
New York
Western
San Francisco
St. Louis
Los Angeles
Chicago
Detroit
W L]
6 1
9 2
5 6
3 10
Division
7 3
8 4
7 6
3 8
1 9
Pct.
.857
.818
.455
.231
.700
.667
.538
.273
.100
GB
3
6
1%
4/
6
NFL
Western Division
W L T P
Green Bay 9 0 0 1.04
Detroit 7 2 0 .77
Chicago 5 4 0 .55
Baltimore 5 4 0 .55
San Francisco 3 6 0 .3
Minnesota 2 7 0 .22
Los Angeles 1 8 0 .1
Eastern Division
W LT Pi
New York 7 2 0 .71
Washington 5 2 2..7
Pittsburgh 5 4 0 .55
Cleveland 4 4 1 .5(
Dallas 4 4 1 .5(
St. Louis 2 6 1 .2A
Philadelphia 1 7 1 .12
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Michigan Union
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178
56
56
33
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Pts. OP
292 61
214 117
173 214
190 155
168 241
172 255
138 195
Yesterday's Result
Boston 137, Cincinnati 126
ct. Pts. OP
x78 253 177
14 201 213
56 203 259
500 171 157
00 255 226
50 152 225
L5 151 238
NFL LEADER TOPS:
Undefeated Packers' Dynasty
Outdoes Yankees, Canadians
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Sunday's Results
Detroit 38, San Francisco 24
Green Bay 49, Philadelphia 0
Washington 17, Cleveland 9
Pittsburgh 26, St. Louis 17
Chicago 31, Minnesota 30
New York.41, Dallas 10
Baltimore 14, Los Angeles 2
Next Sunday's Games
Detroit at Minnesota
Baltimore at Green Bay
Chicago at Dallas
Philadelphia at New York
St. Louis at Cleveland
Washington at Pittsburgh
San Francisco at Los Angeles
AFL
Eastern Division
W L T Pct. Pts. OP
Boston 6 2 1 .750 264 213,
Houston 6 3 0 .667 223 182
Buffalo 4 5 1 .444 246 228
New York 4 6 0 .400 202 290
Western Division
W L T Pct. Pts. OP
Dallas 7 2 0 .778 273 173
Denver 7 3 0 .700 278 213
San Diego 3 7 0 .300 225 292
Oakland 0 9 0 .000 142 262
Sunday's Results
Boston 33, Denver 29
Buffalo 40, San Diego 20
Dallas. 52, New York 31
Houston 28, Oakland 20
Next Sunday's Games
Boston at Houston
Buffalo at Oakland
Dallas at Denver
(Only games scheduled)
By TOM WEINBERG
The dominance of the Green Bay
Packers in professional football is
beginning to make those of the
New York Yankees and the Mon-
treal Canadiens appear tiny in
comparison.
Led by football's greatest rush-
er, Jim Taylor, the Pack has all
but won the Western Division
crown in the National Football
League. With five games remain-
ing in the 14-game season, Coach
Vince Lombardi's brutes have kept
their record intact.
Lions Still Threat
Detroit's stubborn Lions are the
only team rated with any sort of
chance of heading off the unde-
feated Packers. The Lions boast a
7-2 record and trail by two games.
The big hope for Detroit is that it
will be able to knock off the lead-
ers in the annual nationally tele-
vised tilt on Thanksgiving Day.
In addition to that victory, some-
one else must bump off the front-
runners for the Detroiters to man-
age even a tie..
In the Eastern Division, the New
York Giants seem fairly certain
of retaining their title. The Giants
have a lead of a full game over
the early-season leaders, the
Washington Redskins.
With.both the Packers and the
Giants leading in their divisions,
it could be that a rematch of last
year's championship will be played
next month.
Over in the American Football
League, the HoustonOilers, last
year's winners, trail the Boston
Patriots by a half game in the
Eastern Division. In the West, the
Dallas Cowboys and the Denver
Broncos are separated by one de-
feat, with the leading Cowboys
having played one less game.
Next Sunday is Judgment Day
in the AFL as the leaders in both
divisions take on one another at
Houston and Denver.
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