Five International Students Examine A Comparison of Student Life In America and Abroad And a Proposal for the Campus: An International House (EDITOR'S NOTE: The fllowing are excerpts from a tape recorded panel discus- sion held at the Daily. The five foreign students were first asked to describe student activities in their own country and to com- pare it, if possible, to the United States. They then were asked to discuss the inter- national center and to make any other ob- Servations on American life.) gRIGGS: THE National'Union of Aus- tralian University Students is the rep- resentative body for Australian students at the national and international level. There also is the National Youth Coun- ci of Australia, which is associated with the NUAUS. The NUAUS is represented internationally in the International Stu- dent Conference with headquarters in the Netherlands and at the National Youth Council World Assembly of Youth in Brussels. Both are associated with the United Nations. In general, each of the ten universities elects representatives to the NUAUS. This person also has full voting rights on the Student Representative Council at his own university. I have not compared the SRC and the Student Government Council here, but my impression is that SGC might be more active simply because in Australia only one of the ten universities is residential. When people live away from the univer- sity it takes a fairly concrete body to bind the student activities together. As for the role of Australian students in international affairs-students are very unlikely to take extreme views and as -a result of this, Australian students have often been on the executive com- mittees of the ISCS and WAY. Many Asian students are sponsored to Australian universities and thus they are fairly powerful groups, which form into societies. The SRC at each university always sponsors a program about the middle of the year to make the normally apathetic student aware of the activities of the students from abroad. They mix rather well, which considering the vir- tually all-white society in Australia, is quite a relief. This exchange program really only be- gan in the early 1950's when the Colum- bo plan got under way. Australian citizens seem to sponsor a large number of visit-. ing foreign student delegations, and I myself was in charge of a visiting Indian student delegation which toured Aus- tralia a couple of years ago. They seem to have more effect or more import than the regular resident foreign stu- dents. In fact, I am quite in favor of visiting student delegations. When stu- dents who are actively participating in campuses in foreign lands come to your own university they actually have a chance to compare within a few weeks of each other the different conditions.- MATSUMOTO: I cannot say that we have a national student organization like you have in the United States, but we do have the so-called self-government stu- dent union in Japan that was established in cooperation with the International Student Union. It is very difficult to explain the present situation of student activity in Japan because there are so many factions. At one time I thought there was only one organization, but there are actually many factions and they have inter-organizational conflict. Some student organizations are very active in Japan; at the same time we have some organizations which do not want to par- ticipate in activities of certain other groups. We can choose from many forms of student unions at each university. We have complete freedom in this choice and the members are not required to perform any particular duties. Most students are not interested in these unions until some political crisis and then there are many who are eager to participate. For example, when the political problem of the Japan- Page Six American security treaty arose, they were very active, but after the issue subsided the group was again weak. ADALEMO: The Nigerian Student Un- ion is a body of students both in the universities and in the technical and vocational colleges throughout Nigeria. This student union has representation on the ISC and always sends delegates to the meetings. The student union has organized an exchange system by which two students go either to the United Kingdom or to Europe for a period of time and compare the atmosphere there with that at the university in Nigeria. They also arrange for students to rep- resent the student body in some organ- ization that is world wide in scope, for instance, one member represented Ni- geria in India when there was a panel on the development of India as a country, and he returned with a description of the poverty stricken Indian people and other things he saw on the trip. Politics is one thing in which the Nigerian students are very active, and this is one of the aspects in which we differ from the students in America. Ni- gerian students in the university are re- garded as adults, can take part in elec- tions and may voice their opinions about what is happening in the country. There was a special occasion when they did voice their opinions very vigorously. This was in the case of the Nigerian defense pact with Britain. In fact, they resorted to mild violence which was resisted and lead to an attempt to suppress them. Later on, however, as a result of their stand, the act was repealed+ In addition to this, the Nigerian stu- dent union also organizes inter-college ac- tivities in which all colleges participate. I was president, of one club, the world affairs group, and this, of course, was a highly national body which was activated in each college. These groups of the national student association are working toward the common goal of uniting the students in working together to better their opportunities and freedom of ex- pression about what is happening in the country. The Nigerian student union also has branches throughout the world wherever there are Nigerian students studying abroad. There is a strong body in England and one in the United States, and these groups have a say in what is going on back home. MACHADO: I do think that inter- national student activity here in the United States is much more intense than in Brazil. This is due to the fact that in Brazil we do not have the "university" in the real sense of the word. We have different schools, like the law school and the medical school, but they are not together, and no strong bond exists be- tween these schools. We have a national union of students and it represents all the students in the "universities." But I would say that international student ac- tivities exist in a stronger way in the different schools than in the National Union of Students. Each school has in- ternational student activities of its own. The law school, for instance, gets the funds for its own program and congress. The different schools are not on the same campus. They have the "university' but not the interchange. There is a plan now-a-days for most of the cities to start building universities, but this is just beginning. NORDINE: I am the general secretary of the overseas chapter of the Algerian Student Union in the United States. In order to understand the task and goals of the student movement in an under- developed country, you must have an overall idea of the situation in that country. Algeria has been colonized, and the most important impact of coloniza- tion on Algeria was to deprive the nation of its culture and its own language. One 'of the first tasks of our union was, then, to restore our own culture and to edu- cate the people in our own language. The first reaction to the situation was a moderate one: Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria formed a national uniontof Arabian students early in the century and this unit has been functioning. How- ever, the countries involved were faced with different and specific problems. As a matter of fact, Morocco and Tunisia being protectorates had less problems than Algeria, so the Algerians worked to form their own union and it was finally created during the war. In 1954 UGEMA was created and our first goal was to identify with the strug- gle for freedom. I think it is difficult for an American student to understand that national unions of students overseas can take political stands. Here in the United States the student government councils do not take political stands. SGC, for example, is mainly concerned with the activities of students here on the campus. The tasks of the UGEMA were great. In 1956 UGEMA called a strike for all the Algerian students all over the world, and they, of course, answered favorably. The French government naturally got excited about this situation, and the Algerian stu- dents studying in France were, shall we say, in a dangerous position. These stu- dents had to escape from France and go and study elsewhere, creating more prob- lems of UGEMA. During the seven years of war, UGEMA has constantly been identified with the movement for freedom, but now the task is a bit different. The Algerian students must face the problem of illiteracy, which is at a rate of 80 to 85 per. cent. During our studies abroad we try to do some work -on these problems and campaigns. We meet once'a year in the country in which JOSE CLOVIS MACHADO Brazil we are studying to try to formulate an- swers to some of the problems we have. As for the union itself-it is now called the General Union of Algerian Students, because UGYMA had to differentiate itself from the French student union in Algeria. There is a national congress each year, and for the first time the Congress was held in Algiers this summer. I at- tended and we elected a supreme body and continued the chapters in foreign countries. The students who can take part in the activities of UGEA are those who have the bacculaurate, that is, they have to be at least a college junior here. TRIGGS: ON THE question of politi- cism, the national union of the Aus- tralian students has traditionally been apolitical. There are signs that this is changing, but up till now this has been pretty much the case. As for the relation of the student to the overall conditions of the country-Australians are becoming particularly conscious of their position in Asia. They are at the moment the only fully Western country in this isolated cell of of the world, which itself is turning more and more from the traditional land. They are still members of the Commonwealth and are likely to remain so dispite the ECC, but they are turning more and more toward Asia for their economic develop- ment and cultural exchange. This is re- flected in the nature of student activities in the international sphere. They are more concerned with the immediate re- gion of Asia than they have been in the past. There is a stepping up throughout Australia of the realization that imme- diate ties should be with the East. The activities of the Michigan Union embrace a far greater range than in Aus- tralia. In Australia the union is much more concerned with providing facilities for eating, smaller sports and recreation, rather than directing activities. For ex- ample, the Michigan Union sponsors an international week. In Australia this sort of activity is left to the students and the student represen- tative councils. ,Here the more active student groups appear to have student clubs around campus. I admittedly have not had much contact with them here, but I would say that it is very much dif- ferent in a non-residential university than at a resident university like the University of Michigan. Perhaps we do have one thing which is similar to your homecoming. One day during the year and always a week day is designated "Commoration Day." It is a day that the students take off from studies to say thank you to all the people who have given grants to the school. Traditionally it is the day when there is a contest between the butchers and the greasers-the medical people and the en- gineers. There is always a big procession in the streets of the university city, for example, Sidney, and there is always spoofing of some theme, national or in-* ternational. Usually this tends to be a little lewd, but not too lewd, so that they pass the censorship tests. On this par- To Ease ful coexistence. For a long time this theo- retical concept was not backed by condi- tions favoring its implementation. In those days Lenin's idea of peaceful co- existence was regarded by the capitalist states as an expression of weakness of the Soviet Union. Today the idea of peaceful coexistence proclaimed by the USSR and other socialist countries, implemented in their foreign policy, has become a realistic historical possibility. For above all it rests on the strength of the socialist world. ONLY A FEW YEARS ago general and complete disarmament might have ap- peared as a slogan of pacifists. Today it finds its place in the program of the CPSU and in' other documents of the Communist and workers' parties of all countries as one of their principal objectives. It has also found its expression in unanimous resolutions of the United Nations. Can anyone seriously suppose that these new and fundamental principles of the So- viet Union and the world Communist movement proclaiming the possibility of avoiding a new world war, peaceful co- existence of states and also the possibility of general and complete disarmament have been adopted by the Communists in order to mislead nations? That under the disguise of these principles they are pre- paring for war against capitalist states? People of sound political judgment, ir- respective of what they proclaim publicly, cannot possibly accept it with sincere conviction. The Soviet Union, together with other socialist states, has in fact evolved its pol- icy, adapted it to the present historical situation, to the current relationship of forces between socialism and capitalism, and, to the hard requirements imposed on all states by the destructive force of nu- clear weapons and ballistic missiles. As soon as the West does likewise, giving up its present policy rooted in the past, mu- tual distrust and the danger of nuclear war will be dissipated. Indeed, dogmatism in practical politics as in theory is very harmful. The Soviet Union irrevocably broke with it at the 20th Congress of the CPSU in 1956. World peace would be much more secure were the United States to have its counterpart of the 20th Congress and give up dogma- tism in its foreign policy. Much clamor has been raised in the West following the resumption by the So- viet Union of tests of new nuclear weap-- ons. Few people are possessed by the de- sire to kill, but the instinct of self-defense is common to all men. The resumption of tests by the Soviet Union is a case in point. They would not have taken place if the United States and its NATO allies had not taken various mobilization meas- ures and resorted to threats of war in re- sponse to our proposal to solve the Ger- man problem by the conclusion of a peace treaty. SOON 17 YEARS will have passed since the end of the war with Germany and there is still no peace treaty. Instead, ag- gressive militarism has been revived in West Germany not without the assistance of the United States and other NATO states. The Government of the German Federal. Republic advances territorial claims against Poland and other socialist countries. It persistently demands nuclear weapons for the Bundeswehr. Nazi gen- erals and war criminals serve not only on the staffs of the West German armed forces, but also on NATO staffs. : What'the German Federal Government is aiming at first of all is to destroy the German Democratic Republic which, as a socialist state, is a member-country of the Warsaw Pact. The goals of the present foreign policy of the Government of the German Federal Republic would lead di- rectly to a new world war. The assurances given by Western states- men that the Bundeswehr's integration in the armed forces of NATO protects, the socialist states from aggression by Ger- man militarism are but political fairy tales. When the German Federal Republic was admitted to NATO, it was still a weak state. Its stronger partners in this Pact could impose on her their will. Today the situation is reversed. It is no exaggera- to say that in NATO the German Federal Republic is in fact only second to the United States. The Bundeswehr has become NATO's principal force in Europe. And this counts. He who is strong imposes decisions. As there is no peace treaty with Ger- many and the present policy of the Ger- man Federal Republic, which plays an ever increasing role in NATO policy, being what it is, the Bundeswehr's integration in NATO's armed forces not only does not lessen the danger of a new world confla- gration by German militarists, but on the contrary-it increases this danger. Many facts indicate that at present there exists within NATO an intention to place through this organization nuclear weapons at the disposal of the German Federal Republic by transforming NATO into the "fourth nuclear power." The means by which the Bundeswehr is to be armed with nuclear weapons are irrele- vant to the socialist states and the cause of peace. What matters is the effect, and if such a situation came about, it would be much more difficult to turn back the world from the road leading to nuclear catastrophe. The Bundeswehr's finger on the push- button of the American nuclear weapons would not change anything in the rela- tionship of forces between the East and World Tensions To a German I The Conference Table . the West, but would reinforce the position of the German Federal Republic, increase the influence on NATO's policy, still fur- ther encourage German militarists and revanchists and bolster up their aggres- sive spirit. Herein lies the threat of in- creasing the danger to world peace should NATO be transformed into an independ- ent atomic power. AN INTERNATIONAL convention out- lawing the use of all nuclear power in wartime would be useful. Of course, as long as weapons of mass destruction exist, no convention can guarantee against the use of nuclear arms by the side which loses a war carried on by conventional weapons, should it possess nuclear arms, But such a convention would neverthe- less be of great moral and political value. This is not only my personal view. An opinion to this effect was expressed by the socialist countries during the recent session of the UN General Assembly. In November 1961, the General Assem- bly adopted by a majority a resolution de- claring that the use of nuclear and ther- monuclear weapons is contrary to the spir- it, letter and aims of the United Nations, that it is the contrary to the rules of in- ternational law, as such, is a direct viola- tion of the Charter of the United Nations and a crime against mankind. Poland, like the other socialist countries, voted in favor of that resolution. Unfor- tunately, the United States was among its opponents. I AM IN FAVOR of the cessation, by the "USSR and its associates, of supplying arms to elements in Laos, Viet Nam and particularly Cuba. Moreover, I believe that the cessation of supplying arms to these and other countries must not be condi- tioned by a previous East-West under- standing on partial reduction of arms or otherwise as to the checking of the threat of a nuclear conflagration. May I add that the Soviet Union has repeatedly suggested to the United States and its associates that the two sides re- frain from supplying arms to certain re- gions of the world, to which the West re- fused to agree. Also, it is noteworthy that arms supplies from socialist countries came, as a rule, in reply to American arms supplies. The supply of arms to countries where sharp social and political conflicts have arisen or are beginning to arise, are, as I see it, some of the main sources of the existing international tension. No one, certainly, not the major powers, ought to intervene in the internal affairs of other nations. Every nation must deter- mine its own destiny, and freely dispose of the resources in its own territory.' 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Thursday Afternoon Tea ... Or the Missiles THE MICHIGAN DAILY MAGAZINE SUNDAY; OCTOBER 28, 1962