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MASS MEETING
Sun., Jan. 10, 1965 . ..7:30 P.M.

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science policies. These advisors
are saying, however, that there;
should be funds available to be-
gin to lengthen the list of places!
where there is competence. Thet
National Science Foundation had
a program for the first time lastj
year to develop centers of excel-
ence at institutions not now at
the top of the ladder.
Isn't there a certain amount1
of ambiguity in a federal policy
which seeks to use researcht
money both as an aid to edu-
catios, which should be fairly
well distributed, and as an aid
to science a n d technology,
which calls for a large concen-
tration of money and people1
before you can even start doing
large amounts of research?
Yes, there is some ambiguity in
this, but we have not had a na-
tional policy that says we will{
attempt to build a good graduate
school in every state. If there
were such a decision, it would
need money, and ways of funnel-

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ing it to the most likely candi-
dates would have to be found.
There is one area where thisI
really has been done. This is
through the research moneys of
the Department of Agriculture,
which, going back to the '80's of
the last century, were distributed
to the land-grant colleges on a
formula basis. Through the years,
that money has been instrumental
in building in every state an ag-
ricultural experiment station at-
tached to the land grant college
or university. I think that if you
look at some of our stronger
graduate schools in this country,
you have to conclude that the
reason they got the way they are
is because of this formula money
that came from the Department of
Agriculture. Cornell, Wisconsin, Il-
linois and Iowa State are four.
Perhaps some kind of formula
money is what we need to broaden
opportunities in various parts of
the country.
How serious is the shortage
of building space at the Uni-
versity becoming with respect


to research, and what is the
outlook for coming years?
I don't think that we are turn-
ing down any research opportuni-
ties at the moment, but we are
forced into all sorts of exped-
ients-many of them not very sat-
isfactory-to accommodate what is
being done. Some of this is not
very visible, but takes place byt
acquiring space and remodeling1
and adapting it to the particular1
purposes of the project. The Ar-r
gus building, recently acquired by
the University, is an example. t
There are 10 or 12 satelliteI
units of the University aroundt
Ann Arbor in buildings that were
put up for entirely different pus-
poses. However, many times the
remodeled space is only suitable
for certain limited kinds of pur-
poses, so one is not able to meett
requirements for highlyespecializ-
ed kinds of space.
As for the future, the state
financed building program thatt
has been planned is a very sub-
stantial one. Some features havet
been rather long delayed. Even
those items which are already au-
thorized, either partially funded ort
funded for planning, will make a
considerable impact here.r
The final completion of the
Medical Science II Bldg. does
some very useful things with re-
spect to the Central Campus. The
wonderful dental facilities that we
will have in four or five years
should put us right into the lead-
ership in that field.
Will the Sesquicentennial fund£
drive help alleviate the space
problems?t
This of course is still in the fu-
ture. It will be a number of years
before we will know what is tot
be available. There are numerous
buildings planned for the cam-
pus that will enrich the intel-
lectual and cultural opportunities
here but which do not fall really
into the class that are easily ac-
cepted by the Legislature as
things that the state should sup-
port. I think these are ones whicht
are likely to be placed rather high
on the list of things that can be.
supported from the funds if they
are obtained. But the donor pret-
ty much selects what he wouldt
like his money to be used for, so
one can't say much about what
might eventually be built.,
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There have been comments
that the University is overcom-
mitted in the amount of re-
search that is being carried on
here. What would you reply to
that?
This, I think, is an issue that
one or two of the Regents raised
at their November meeting. It is
true that there are many people
here whose support comes entire-
ly from grants or contracts of
relatively short duration. If there
were an abrupt change of policy so
that many of these were not re-
newed or replaced, there would
then be a question of how these
individuals could be supported. It
is quite clear that they could not
all be supported out of the state
General Funds. These are given to
us for teaching, both graduate and
undergraduate, and many of these
people art not involved In teach-
ing at all.
On the other hand, nobody
thinks that an abrupt diminution
in research support is a likely
thing to happen. There has been
a conscious and deliberate deci-
sion at the national level to beef
up our competence in all fields of
science and technology and, indi-
rectly, all fields of education. It
is a national cause, I feel sure,
to continue the kind of growth
of higher education that we have
witnessed in the last decade or
so.
The other thing which would
put us in a less uncomfortable po-
sition if we were confronted by
an abrupt diminution of support
is that our research money comes
to us in a very large number of
small and large packages with be-
ginning and ending dates that
vary enormously - from short
terms to 3-5 years. In any one
month there are a lot of new
starts and a lot of projects be-
coming terminated, so there would
certainly be an opportunity for ad-
justment that would minimize any
sort of cataclysmic effect.
The third point is that many of
the people that are involved in
the research apparatus here are
not permanently involved. They
are birds of passage, coming here
as part of their own individual
educational programs. As gradu-
ate students they move on to a
degree, receiving support in many
cases, and sometimes staying for
a year or two as postdoctorals.
But we are overcommitted in
that we do not have, sitting in the
bank at any one time or coming
in at any one time, state general
money which would permit us to
absorb the salaries of all those
engaged in research and research
enterprises. But I doubt if this is
any different from some business
enterprises.
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'We're Forced into All Sorts of Expedients'

Prof. Donald Katz is chair-
man of a committee which has
just issued quite a lengthy pre-
liminary report on machine
computation at the University.
The report put forth quite elab-
orate plans for a computer in-
stitute. What are some of the
problems ahead in this field,
and what are the chances of
solving them?
I think that the part of the re-
port to concentrate on is not real-
ly the creation of an institute but
the provision of the computer fa-
cilities that the committee looks
towards. The institute as I would
see it is merely a device for pro-
viding the kind of computer op-
portunities that we should have
in a great university such as this.
Machine computation is certain-
ly an area which people will ex-
pect to pursue. To a considerable
degree we pioneered both in work
on computers themselves and par-
ticularly in the involvement of
computer usage in our instruc-
tional programs. I think we are
way ahead of many other insti-
tutions in this respect.
Another point is that computers
themselves are evolving very rap-
idly. Our understanding of the
things that they can do or can be
used to do is broadening rapidly.
Computer availability and compu-
ter education also breed computer
use.
Ahead of us I'm sure lies a
great deal of application of com-
puters in industry in the control
of machines that will permit a
precision that we have never had
before.
Then there is the computer as a
research tool. In many kinds of
experiments the computer is at-
tached to the responding item-
a man, an animal or a machine
-and the computer will record
and report the responses virtually
instantaneously so that the re-
searcher can then, while he has
the experiment in progress, vary
various factors or inputs, his Judg-
ment resting on what he learns
immediately from the experience.
This has some remarkable possi-
bilities in studying human re-
sponses. People in mental health
research, child development and
language learning are enormous-
ly interested in this. This on-line
use, as it is called, is going to
grow greatly.
Then there is the possible use
of computers in the educational
process. This sounds cold and
dreadful - that you mechanize
everything-but it doesn't mean
this at all. If there can be the di-
rect interaction between the indi-
vidual and the computer then you
have a very special kind of tu-
torial arrangement that goes far
beyond what two individuals can
do.
So all this says to me that
what we have to do is enlarge and
diversify computer facilities. This
will be a very expensive develop-
ment, but it is one that we sim-
ply cannot fall to support.
It is in the same category as
the General Library. The library
is used by many people in re-
search and in teaching. It is a
place where information is stored.
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