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On a Sunday afternoon a couple
of weeks ago four Alabama Ne-
groes talked a little about their
lives. The four students, here for
a year participating in the Michi-
gan-Tuskegee Intitute exchange
program, and some white students
(several of whom spent la4t year
at Tuskegee) passed a couple of
hours over kool-aid and pretzels in
casual conversation with a tape
recorder in the background keep-
ing track of what was said ...
HAS THERE BEEN any kind of
change in the Negro attitude
over the past couple of years that
you guys can perceive?'
Yeah . .. I think there has been
Dne ... the thing now is 'black na-
tionalism', a glorification kind of
thing. If you've been suffering for a
long time there's a tendency to take
the things people have been knock-
ing and raise them up, make them
superior. We make our dancing su-
perior, our 'soul' food superior, our
music sunerior---iid tort of a racial
reversal, you know.
It's a soul revolt . . ., dogmatism is
fashionable now. VWhites are playing
it too, you know Plk i" white Nearo
that Fiedler way l- ,bout. The
hipoy is iust a "f? T(,".
It's really a revcr'al because for a
long time everyone x 'as ashamed sort
of, or at least not o proud of black
culture. Like when you're taught
that Bach is better than Lightnin'
Hopkins you get tht- *lea -iu should
put away this "Pr+ of yo'ir back-
ground, like t'e blues sn-'tuals.
You find this p++ 4t.in + he real
boarek-r-poi. ir of*+he
bovro,- Yyu - "+ '"-
They havn ni "- ~ '-. . +ho
Right. When I first played a low-
down blues record my mother d dn't
appreciate it at all, you know? She
thought it was nor"^"'n,' common,
that you assoea a r w 't the bar down
on the corner.
I think : . . yeah, I think-a lot of
it, this sort or aiame o oek cul-
ture and all . . . it might be because
in your education you never meet
any black men. You iearn that, or at
least it seems from what you're pre-
sented with, that nobody ha, done
anything civilized except in Europe.
-You know, you study European his-
tory and European art and Euronean
music . . . and the. Negro, man he
knows he's just not European, he
comes up thinking 'what have I
done?' In American history you nev-
er -meet any Negroes.

The whole American education is
sort of training the Negro to be the
'invisible man.' You come up through
the system, the educational system,
and you never hear what the Ne-
groes have contributed to civiliza-
tion, and, you start saying "every-
thing that is white happens to be
right." Then you have the bourgeois
Negro who takes on these things, he
becomes more white than the whites'
W !4"r A R'UT civil rights work
avid oovernment legislation,
ha- thb had a real effect on the
Nv .. . 1rJhe causing the black
Well . . . the civil rights marches
and demonstrations were good be-
thev made whites conscious of
hr nroblem in the South. It was
-ood for the attitude of the nation
in feneral. People start thinking
'maybe there's something to it, may-
be we'll a'o ahead for a little whlie'.
Tt'sreally just to shock people . - -
,hake things up.
The big problem with the civil
rights movement is that the govern-
ment isn't enforcing the Civil Rights
laws, it isn't putting any teeth in
them. You nass laws, people write
them. but they do nothing about
them.
See . . . you can't understand the
South until you go there. You can
read about it and all, you know in
Time magazine, but you can't feel
what it's like.
So far I don't think the govern-
ment has done anything really. It
doesn't look at the human being, it
just looks at a mass of people. We're
not working as human beings to-
grether: and this is -the war on pover-
ty, you know: if we can dish out
so much money, somehow the people
will become our friends and we can
solve this thing.
WHAT IS YOUR attitude towards
whites, especially college stu-
-dents, who come down from the
North to work for civil rights and
march and demonstrate?
I feel sort of indifferent about
them, but it is more on an individual
basis and not the group. I'm not sure
of my motive for feeling this way
about them, maybe because I don't
understand them.
I think a lot of times in college
you get involved in movements not
for humanitarian purposes but out
of boredom. When you don't have
any west to pioneer you can go to
the Peace Corps, but then what?
Civil rights looks good, so you come
down as missionaries.
Lots of civil rights workers take
this missionary attitude. They come

down and say 'look, I'm going to
show you how to be a human being.'
When you have unequal relation-
ships between human beings it nev-
er works out; it is destructive for
both parties.
In the movement it is inevitable
that you're going to come down with
a sort of condescending attitude,
like 'I know how bad you people are
suffering, so I want to come and
help you.'
ARE-YOU GUYS active in dema-
onstrations? Have you ever
marched or sat-in?
I was working with the Mississippi
Freedom Democratic Party for about
a week. It was the first time I had
done this kind of thing, I had just
come out of the army. Our primary
job was to get people who were reg-
istered out to vote. It was pretty
frustrating.
My first exposure was in about the
11th grade, in the summer, and I
would be on my way to a game and
my friends would say 'let's go dem-
onstrate'. I didn't know what they
were talking about so we would go
uptown and walk around. I really
didn't know what we were doing. At
Tuskegee I marched some, in Mont-
gomery, but I finally realized I was
putting my life in jeopardy being
out there. Anybody can do anything
to you while you are marching be-
cause you're supposed to maintain a
non-violent role. I kind of shut
down and didn't march any more.
Most of the lower class Negroes
have been so oppressed and down-
graded that they are actually afraid
to go out - and mix with anyone.
When a great leader comes in who

can stand up against a white man,
they really admire him. They shout,
they praise him because he has-cour-
age to stand up and voice opinions.
I could become a leader myself.
When I go home, all the people like
my grandfather and uncle, they all
come around and say "Son, you get
that education, I couldn't get it, and
when you get it you come back and
help us." When I go home I visit
some of the areas, and all the peo-
ple say the same thing. It really kind
of upsets you to hear them say this.
WHAT ABOUT non-violence, how
do you feel about that?
In the first place, people call you
dirty names and you smile and say
"I don't care." and you don't hit the
guy. In good faith you follow the
movement and dc what the move-
ment expects. I would do it again...
I don't know. I'm just not non-
violent, and I'm not going out and
subject myself to any stuff like that.
I think that getting people out to
march, that's just suicide.
All those people marching in Chi-
cago . . . it was real good. The only
way you're going to get any.progress
in this country is to show some pow-
er. It's the black power thing com-
ing right back. The only thing peo-
ple hear and respect is power, and
that means money power, too.
I think the main problem with the
marches is that there's not unity of
the people in the group-each one is
kind of wondering "which road shall
I take?"
WHO QIVES you the most trouble
at home?

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constitution came out against a gra-
duated income tax, and it was evi-
dent to those there that Romney
concurred.
Many delegates warned him at the
time that the constitution be-
ing ratified was hardly conducve to
the good government ideal which
Romney wanted, but he did not re-
act. "He was extremely naive, and
despite all his good intentions, he
was unprepared for the realities of
politics and we ended up with bad
results," said a man who was present.
An outspoken Romney critic who
is head of an important committee
in the Legislature says "most of the
Representatives think he is a phony.
He is a great actor but most of what
he says has been prepared for him.
He talks about how states could have
more power but when he's question-
ed about it or has to implement the
idea in workable legislation he falls
apart. Mostly he's just generalities."
AND STILL, despite a relatively
lackluster performance as Gov-
ernor, the Romney band-wagon rolls
on. A national committee to get him
elected President was set up early
this year, headed by Leonard Hall,
one of the chairmen of the Nixon
movement in 1960. He has made a
swing-tour of the western United
States, is out of Lansing almost as
often as he is in, and has begun re-
ceiving the kind of publicity that
candidates get because they want.
The fact quite obviously is that
Romney is running. He stands a mo-
derately good chance of getting the
G.O.P. nomination if he can out-last
Nixon and Rockefeller doesn't come
in to steal the show, and, for another
big if, assuming that the war in
Vietnam is still going on as unopu-
larly in 1968 as it is now the Repub-
lican candidate could well1win.
The Romney magic is no mystery
to understand. He looks and sounds
simply superb. Dynamic, vmorous,
handsome, showing little trace of
his 59 years and the possessor of an
extremely charming wife, he is strik-
ing on the podium.
His greatest asset seems to be his
intensity with which he is able to
infect an audience and leav~ them
enraptured. He is tough, and the con-
viction of his forefinger raised in
emphasis leaves a real impression
until you remember that what he
said wasn't too much. As the Wash-
ington bureau chief of The New York
Times, Tom Wicker, says, "Romney
brings to politics a sort of pounding
evangelism that can make a simple
homily on the duties of - a citizen
sound like a call to arms."
"(HE GOSPEL SPIRIT seems nat--
ural to Romney, who is the son
of a Mormon missionary and served
an evangelizing stint himself in Eng-
land and Scotland during his twen-
ties. He is supposed to be an intense-
ly religious figure, who does not
smoke, drink, play cards or, accord-
ing to one of his state police body-
guards, even engage in much small-
talk.
One of Romney's aides is reported
to have once commented that "what
he really wants to be is one of the
Council of Twelve of the Mormon
Church. It's kind of an odd thought,
somebody using the Presidency as
a stepping-stone to something else."
A Democratic state legislator from

Detroit says "when Romney talks
about governmental philosophy it is
a late 19th century, ten Command-
ment belief in God. There simply is

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