THE MICHIGAN DAILY Thursday, October 16, 1969 Page Six THE MICHIGAN DAILY Thursday, October 16, 1969 panels iscuss doctors' role in war By JASON STEINMAN Two themes were discussed in yesterday's medical sym- posium held in the hospital amphitheater - the doctor's role in war, and the education of a more community-conscious physician. The three panel discussions at the amphitheater and a discussion on nuclear warfare held at the Medical Science Bldg. were part of the medical center's moratorium against the war program. The first two discussions about war and medicine were espousals of personal opinions on medical morals. Conscien- tious objection of doctors Il *against the draft was briefly D isPUpI ons discussed in the first group. Methods of evasion were men- justified by tioned, but no decision was reach- ed about unified medical action. Dr. Robert Green, associate dean prof ssor(- of the medical school, commented )rof ssor only on doctors' responsibility I while in the war and not on his By SHARON WEINER moral commitment to it. Philosophy professors Frithjoh Dr. Edward Pierce, '59, a private Bergmann, Robert Adams, and physician and two students were DergannRobrt Aamsandalso on the panel. George Mavordes spoke on t h e A second group discussed the justification of disruptve tactics doctor. the war and war medicine. to an audience of over 250 in An- Dr. Andrew Zweifler, associate gell Hall yesterday. professor of internal medicine, "Disruptions are justified until opened the discussion with t h e , statement that war was an anti- we have a just society," said Berg- medical practice. mann. "As long as we think the de-m bHe then posed questions to lthe gree of justice in society can be members of the panel dealing with improved by disruptive tactics, the emotional consequences of the those tactics with qualifications war, the physician's responsibili- are "morally right." ty to the war and the organization "Those Awho object to domestic of doctors to endorse or denounce the war. violence must also object to the Vioenemse wato becnsstnt" hAll the doctors agreed to the ad- Vietnamese war to be consistant' verse effects of war. However,' lie added. Doctors Duane Glatz and J o e 1 "Disruption is justified when the Rosenthal, b o t h Vietnam veter- good to be obtained f r o m it is ans and residents in neurology, greater than the harm it causes. were opposed to organizing against said Mavordes. "However, the use the war to help end it. of disruptive tactics lowers t h e "There will always be a war,, threshhold of intolerance of a said Glatz. "The nature of man is group, and this gives them a tacti- to fight. This is pessimistic, but' cal advantage which is soon rec- I'm afraid it's true. I don't think ognized and sought after by oth- a doctor should close his eyes to er groups." the needs of people on the battle- "Violence is the worst of all ways field by refusing to go." of settling disagreement," Adams The final panel discussed the argued. "It is unwise to use dis- development of the socially con- ruptive activity in a society where scious physician. comparatively good means of po- litical decision-making exists." Despite initial disagreements. Violence is almost never advan- mliydocewsothaelexprete tageous, but disruption often does with ideas of students who were some good, he added. at the symposium. Many students Following the speeches, about 50 believed the major obstacle to im- of the audience remained to par- plementation of new ideas-lack of ticipate in a question-answer ses- communication between faculty sion. and students -- had been reduced. CLASSIC ISSUES RAISED: Thucydides and Vietnam -Daily-Jay Cassidy Crowds Ut to see 1aO t I i a Lovely War' 10,000. sign petition By JANE BARTMAN The Michigan Petition Drive for Peace yesterday gathered over 10,000 signatures and brought out 500 workers from the community. The drive, which began in Ann' Arbor with 2,000 names and worked towards a goal of 15,000, was called "very successful" by history Prof. Sam Bass Warner. The petition, which calls for an, immediate cease-fire and with- drawal of all U.S. troops and mil- itary supplies from Vietnam by July 4th, was circulated in Sa- line, Brighton, Ypsilanti, Tecum- seh, Pontiac, and Houghton, as well as Ann Arbor. In addition, a peace parade was held in Birmingham and speakers were provided from Cranbrook and Birmingham schools. Two signatures are "X"s from elderly ladies in Saline who could not write their names. "These are the signatures that I value most," said organizer' Bruce Reynolds. "When I hear that even those ladies are opposed to the war. I feel encouraged." The drive was organized in Ann Arbor as a result of the Sept. 19- 20 teach-in and now people work- ing on it have offices in three other communities. It will continue in five other congressional precincts-numbers 7, 11, 14, 18 and 19-working to-' wards a goal of 15,000 names per, precinct. The petitions will be used for discussion with state and federal congressmen on their po- sitions concerning the war, and eventually Xeroxed and sent to the White House at an appro- priate time. By HESTER PULLING "The moral, economic, polit- ical and social problems raised by Thucydides are as true now as they were then." history Prof. David Steinberg told a sympo- sium- yesterday. In the midst of yesterday's moratorium and its contempo- rary thought, the relationship between the writings of the Greek historian and America's involvement in Vietnam formed the center of discussion for Steinberg. classical studies Prof. John D'Arms and well over 100 students. Thucydides raised a problem of the use and need of power. "Power causes people to do things not justifiable except as a means to gain more power," Steinberg said. Athens had definite imperial- istic attitudes when expanding her boundaries, and Thucydides was interested in the moral as- pects involved. The Greek started his career fully believing that "Athens' greatness justified her imperial attitudes and c o n qu e s t s," D'Arms said but in later life modified this assertion. The concept that a country's strength determines its' right to "use and misuse" power was applied in the symposium to both Athens and the United States. The attempt to operate on a power based policy results in "a power simply getting more power and never being satis- fied" Steinberg said. "One must ask when it is right for us to -- --- -- COUPO N - ---- E E E ITHOMPSON'S E PIZZA I E E 761-0001 off D 50c C off Lorae one item for more)lI E pizza. One coupon per Pizzo E E Mon., Tues., Wed., Thurs. Only OCT. 13-16 4w,........ ..,..... ....... DAILY OFFICIAL BULLETIN .255~M~ns~si352% e# sm2s20siiW M2msietRiismmgta use power-or is it ever right." The history professor continued, "Can one justify the war in some situations and condemn it in others?" Steinberg asked if it was a general and necessary law of human nature to rule whenever it can. If human nature needed power then war could provide a necessary function, he an- swered himself. D'Arm added jokingly, "Italy, after a thousand years of war produced Michelangelo; Swit- zerland, after a thousand years THURSDAY, OCTOBER 16 Say Calendar International Symposium of Remote Sensing of Environment: First Ses- sion: Rackham Amphitheater, 8:30 a.m. Department of Speech (Student Lab Theater): Birthday Present and Purga- tory: Arena Theater, Frieze Building, 4:10 p.m. William W. Cook Lecture On Amern- cao Institutions: Politics Of Change- W. Willard Wirtz, Former U.S. Secre- tary of Labor, "Tyranny in the Dia- logue": 100 Hutchins Hall, 4:15 p.m. Geography Seminar: Professor Kirk Stone, Dept. of Geography, Univ. of Georgia, "World Fringes of Settle- ment", 4050 LSA, 4:15 p.m. Center for Continuing Education of Women: Orientation To The University Libraries: Lobby, Undergraduate Lib- rary, 7:30 p.m. (Registration at Center requested). Chemistry Colloquium: Dr. Ed Janz- en, Univ. of Georgia, "Detection and Identification of Short Lived Organic Free Radicals by ESR Spin Trapping"; 1300 Chem, 8:00 p.m. Degree Recital: Metro Kozak, violin: School of Music Recital Hall, 8:00 p.m. (Continued on Page 8) of peace produced the cuckoo clock.' Steinberg also raised the issue of the historian's role in inter- preting history. "The historian builds a frame- work, and upon that structure a whole- generation of people formulate their ideas of that period," Steinberg said. The pro- fessor felt that this idea shouid be kept in mind when judging past events and attitudes, as well as those of the present. MEN: try a new hairstyle designed to your personality. 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