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Mihigant
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Dampened

Engineering
Courses Fill
Programs
thing out of it," Dean Emmons
said. He would therefore "hesitate
t6 impose a lot of liberal arts
courses" on the engineering stu-.
dent. The engineering college has,
however, "made an attempt to
encourage well-rounded educa-
tional personalities."
"WE MUST allocate space in
student programs to include the
engineering essentials," Dean Em-
mons explained. "It's hard to find
things to cut out" to include lib-
eral arts subjects," he said. al-
though a student can usually elect
about 10 hours if desired.
If a student really wants a
knowledge of English literature or
psychology, he can read books on,
the subject after graduation, he
explained.
The engineering college does
provide certain programs for
those who desire liberal arts and
are willing to extend their under-
graduate career to five years.
These have not proved highly
popular with the students, Dean
Emmons said. Cooperative pro-
grams with small liberal arts col-
leges such as Albion provide a
five-year program with two years
j~of liberal arts, three of engineer-
ing.
A technical school such as the
engineering college provides a
"thinking" curriculum for the stu-
dent, and thus encompasses a
large part of the concept of a lib-
eral education. The value of lib-
eral arts courses is recognized, but
it seems hard to eliminate essen-
ials.
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"PROFESSORS SAY:
'Mental Training' Disproved

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evidence against transfer of train-
ing was too strong to be arguedI
They pointed out, however, that
there were other advantagesto
these courses. They felt that this'
type of discipline was a valuable
intellectual experience in its own
right. "It's as if one were exer-
cising unusued muscles of the
brain" was one comment. 1
* * *
THEY ALSO STRESSED the
fact that the learning of both
mathematics and languages had,
a very practical purpose; that both
were becoming more and more of

a necessity, not only for scholars
or scientists, but also for the gen-
eral public.
Most of the group said that
modern languages were as valu-
able or more valuable than Latin
and Greek for these purposes.j
! Several mentioned Russian as an
excellent choice. Russian, they
said, has a practical application in
the modern world, is a language
requiring close attention to de-
tails, and has a rich literature.
One professos said that' Latin,,
Gseek and Russian were valuable
in that they had the same basis
as our own language. However,

they were sufficiently different
from English to offer a valuable
contrast, which is partially lack-
ing in other Western European
languages.
HE PARTICULARLY advoiated
Greek and Latin because they
were keys to cultures, which could
be contrasted with our mechanized
way of life.
The group also distinguished
between intellectual achievement
which apparently coull not be
transferred and properly developed
study habits which these type of
courses .seemed to foster. They
felt that these were definitely
valuable in all studying.
The faculty members also felt
that mathematics, philosophy and
languages were forms of knowledge
which tended to broaden a stu-
dent and were thus valuable aside
from any transfer of learning
value.
Although the group admitted
that transfer of learning was an
outmoded theory, they did feel 1
that mathematics, philosophy and .
language broadened a student's

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ican culture, and the class had
been previously assigned readings
dealing with the topic.
"Are there any questions Miss
Stahl? Your face is clouded over,"
the instructor asked.a
She had no questions.
"It's not any clearer now," a
girl said after the instructor had
finished with his explanation of
the paper.
ALTHOUGH THE STORY above;
is somewhat of a charicture, it
does illustrate an important point:
any educational plan applied to
the real world will have to face
circumstances that are consider-
ably less than ideal, whether these
circumstances are cold weather,
Saturday classes, student lack of
concern or any of the many dif-
ficulties that plague education.
Any new plan for improving edu-
cation will have to take these fac-
tors into account and realize that,

CHALLENGE:
'U's Vastness Poses,
Learning Problem
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cussion classes are overflowing.
Teachers come and go, also, and it
is often difficult for a student to
develop anything more than an
impersonal relationship with his
supposed guide to learning.
Some argue it is not the Uni-
versity, but rather the student,
who is to blame for any staleness
in the climate of learning.
True, some students are contin-
ually spoiling any semblence of
intellectual atmosphere by pre-
occupation with what is expedi-
ent, with the course grade.
, * *
CLEARLY, what is iesired is
that students learn to want to
keep on learning.
It is too easy for educators to
cry out that students should de-
velop more responsibility, and par-
ake in more independent study.
If this .condition is to be
changed, or, in a greater sense,
if learning is to become an excit-
ing experience, the responsibility
rests with the University, not with
the student whose culture dic-
tates that learning should come
to him.
Here size becomes a stumbling-
block. The University is faced

with a critical dilemma. How can
it provide for ever-increasing
numbers of students and still be
able to fuse into each individual
a desire to learn?

perspective and therefore.

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valuable parts of a liberal educa-
tion.

it must fall short of its goal be-
cause of these kinds difficulties.

UNION CONFERENCE:
Students Discuss Admissions Policy

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to out-of-state students should re-
main two to one, since this creates
a more cosmopolitan surrounding
and coipetition between students
would be keener, particularly in
the freshman year.
The problem of increasing size
brought out the general opinion
that the University should avoid
too great an increase, since the
student-faculty ratio would be-
come disproportionately large and
educational objectives could be-
come lost.
Assistant dean of the literary
college James A. Robertson sug-
gested that proficiency examina-
tions be given to in-state students
before finally accepting them, like
the out-of-state students who are

required to take College Board
tests. The exam, plus the princi-
pal's recommendation, rank in
class and patterns of high school
elections would present a better
picture of prospective University
students, he said.
On the question of whether the
University is sold to high school
athletes on an educational or ath-
letic merit, the group felt that
academics are the first and fore-
most consideration and that most
alumni groups feel the same way.
The final point discussed was
publicity for the University. Al-
though enough publicity seems to
reach people in Michigan, the sit-
uation in other states is not as
good, the group decided.
One suggested method of reach-

ing high school students directly
is to have informed University
students go to their high schools
and talk to students desiring to
attend the University.
A variation on this idea was the
suggestion that recent University
graduates act as counsellors for
interested high school students.
As to the question of the neces-
sity of publicity and recruiting of
students, Dean Robertson said re-
cruiting must be done to insure
high quality students for the Uni-
versity.
"Although we may not be the
top University in the country, we
are definitely in the same league
as Harvard and Yale and we are
competing with them for the best
students the high schools are
turning out," Dean Robertson said.



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