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Hungarian campaign went 
up significantly. And the 
anti-Semitism in the Labour 
Party just got louder and 
louder and louder, and here 
in the United States we then 
had shootings. I felt like we 
were playing Whack-A-Mole 
because we couldn’
t keep up 
with the reports. And every 
time we would want to close 
off a section, something new 
would happen and we’
d find 
ourselves chasing a statistic or 
a quote.

JN: You were one of the only 
filmmakers allowed into the 
Tree of Life Synagogue in 
Pittsburgh to talk to people 
after the shooting. 
Goldberg: We were just very 
respectful in our requests, 
and they were ultimately 
granted. And we didn’
t want 
to re-traumatize anybody. I 
mean, it was a very import-
ant thing for us to do it in as 
sensitive a way as we possibly 
could. 

JN: And how did you inter-
view the survivors sensitive-
ly? That must’
ve been really 
difficult.
Goldberg: It wasn’
t so much 
that the interviews were 
sensitive ... We knew that 
Pittsburgh was going to be 
— that Pittsburgh is still — 
traumatized by this event. 

We wanted to present it in a 
somewhat neutral and calm 
way. We didn’
t want to sort of 
weigh in with any extensive 
descriptions… 
This film is unlike many, 
many others because you’
re 
pulling in issues of race, issues 
of religion, issues of very pas-
sionate ideas and ideologies, 
politics from many, many 
countries, the Arab-Israeli 
conflict … I mean, everything 
is so careful. But you’
re never 
going to get it right. It’
s like 
walking a tightrope. The right 
people say you’
re too far to 
the left and the left people 
say you’
re too far to the right, 
and the progressives say that 
you’
re too sympathetic to 
capitalism and the capitalists 
say you’
re too sympathetic to 
socialism. And it just never 
ends … there’
s no real place 
to stand. It’
s impossible. 

JN: What is your target audi-
ence for this film? 
Goldberg: I think that it’
s 
important that as many 
people see it as possible, so 
they’
re educated… I believe 
that the well-informed popu-
lace is really the best starting 
place to move forward. 

Viral: Antisemitism in Four Mutations
premieres on PBS May 26 and will 
be available for streaming on PBS 
Passport following its TV debut.

“You’re never going to get it 
right. It’s like walking a tight-
rope. And it just never ends … 
There’s no real place to stand.
It’s impossible.”

— ANDREW GOLDBERG

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