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PK: Absolutely. If I have patients who are religious and it seems that focus is going to be helpful or life- saving for them, I certainly encour- age them to pursue it. I've sent peo- ple to rabbis, priests and ministers in the course of treatment, and I have to say I don't always get good results. I've gotten better at winnowing my list of those to whom I would send patients in my community. JN: How does somebody suffering from depression find an appropriate psychiatrist? PK: By asking an internist, people within the psychiatric community or even neighbors. The good thing is that most patients with depression respond to whatever is done. A lot of depression will respond to the first course of psy- chotherapy or the first medica- tion chosen. After a matter of weeks, a patient ought to be doing better. If the patient is not, the psychia- trist ought to be con- cerned. If he or she is not concerned, a patient should think about whether this is the right person. JN: How has Judaism influenced what you do? PK: Moments of Engagement, my first book, talks about how I became a psychiatrist, and the particular moment of decision has me wandering in the desert near Beersheva. I consider myself culturally Jewish, but there's nothing that leads me to believe there is such a thing as a God. I'm quite satisfied with evo- lutionary science explanations. My children went to Hebrew school JN: How did you get into and a radio and how do you Conservative `Against choose your topics? synagogue, Depression" assesses the PK: This radio show has and they were science of mood disorder — been on the air seven or eight all bar or bat a field that has taken leaps years, and I was asked to be a mitzvahed. forward in the last decade. guest and then a guest host. They can't When the former host decided believe their to pull back, I was invited to do father isn't stirred by what stirs them. it. I had liked the experience and trust- ed the producers. JN: Are there any statistics on the inci- It takes me three or four years to dence of depression among Jews? write a book, so it was very pleasant to PK: I have read some material on that, produce a show a week, delve into a but I have not been impressed by its number of topics and get feedback reliability. I think that these studies are from listeners right away. I like to mix influenced by ascertainment bias, shows that are about core mental ill- which is how you find the cases or how nesses with shows that are about other people report them. topics that have interest. We did one on There were beliefs in the early 19th domestic violence that I thought was century that Jews were particularly very important. We did one on writer's prone to neurasthenia and sort of block that I thought was a lot of fun. minor, chronic, disabling mental ill- nesses, but the text of the times seems JN: What do you do as a parent and anti-Semitic to me. psychiatrist to promote the mental health of your children? JN: Do you think that religion — PK: My wife and I tend to be around no matter which religion — is and aware even if we're not doing sometimes helpful to a person suf- much. ❑