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Maple Road • (248) 542-0180 EXCLUSIVE ENGAGEMENT ONE WEEK ONLY For showtimes visit www.LandmarkTheatres.com JN: Do you have specific familiari- ty with terrorism issues confronting Michigan? AD:I'm familiar with the fact that Michigan has a very large Muslim and Arab American population and there- fore there has been a particular focus, in my view somewhat unfairly, on the Muslim and Arab communities, which have been in general very loyal to the United States. How the United States government deals with the Muslim and Arab popu- lations of Michigan will probably be a bellwether for how it deals with civil liberties in general. JN: Have you been following the case of the Michigan man who overstayed his visa and wants open hearings regarding his alleged links to terror- ism? AD:I think, in general, hearings should be open or the government should have to justify openly — without revealing confidential material — the need for secrecy. @Regular Copy:Secrecy is anathema to democra- cy. It's also good for America to be able to justify to the world why we're doing what we're doing. There are going to be some extraordi- nary cases where there's going to be national security information, but that should be very limited. JN: What about illegal immigrants in general? AD:That has to end. We cannot toler- ate a situation where people are in this country illegally. If we want them in this country, we have to legitimate and legalize their status. If we're not willing to legalize and legitimate their status, we can't have them in the country. We can't have hundreds of thousands, perhaps more, people in this country who are out of status, not accountable and owe no loyalty to the United States. JN: How do your recommendations for a national ID card apply? AD:I advocate a very minimal national ID card, one that just has the name, address, social security number, photo- graph and a telemetric chip that can be matched to a fingerprint, palm print or retinal print. I think that would do a lot toward requiring people to show that they are in status in the United States. I don't believe that in the year 2002 any person has the right to walk around with a bag over his head. The right to anonymity is not in the Constitution and went out with Thoreau at Walden Pond. There may be a right to publish anonymous pam- phlets, but there's no right to be anonymous. If the government is entitled to ask you about your status, then you're obliged to respond. One always has to worry about the implications of any ID system, but remember that France, Germany, Israel, Spain, Italy and many democracies have long had national ID systems. JN: What are your takes on the Florida professor (Sami Al-Arian) who was dismissed from his post because of alleged links to terrorism? AD:It's a very hard case. Tenure is not absolute, and professors have been fired for political activities. @Regular Copy:Stanford University fired Prof. Bruce Franklin because he was alleged to be associated with violence. If this man in Florida is in fact involved with terrorism, supporting terrorism in an overt and direct way and engaging in criminal conduct, then he's violated his contract and would be subject to firing. At the moment, I keep an open mind. I haven't heard all the evidence, and I think generally the presumption ought to be in favor of keeping a pro- fessor who has controversial views. But if his views have moved to action, and action includes contributions and other material support for terrorism, that's a very different matter. JN: Have you brought up any assign- ments for your students with regard to terrorism issues? AD:I try to keep my classes very topi- cal, so I've used examples and cases growing out of post-Sept. 11 events. My criminal law exam last year was all based on the attacks of Sept. 11 and conspiracy. Even before Sept. 11, I used some of the cases from Israel to try to make the students aware of the complexities in striking an appropriate balance between security and [civil liberties]. I think Israel has been the model because no country in the history of the world has been more sensitive to protecting civilian rights. Israel is the only country that has never bombed a city in retaliation for civilian attacks. The United States bombed Hiroshima. The British bombed Dresden. The Russians bombed Chechnya. Israel, although it has the capacity to drop bombs, has never done so. It has sent its troops into camps like Jenin, where 23 Israeli soldiers were