T H Sleepwalkers day such as the NAACP. Photo by Dan ie l Lipp itt T Norman Naimark: "We don't have that many shared experiences." 24 FRIDAY, JANUARY 10, 1992 a cent is spent toward education. There are Jews who say their opinion of blacks isn't based on skin color but on economics. There is an often expressed stereotype that blacks might not have the money a Jewish family has to maintain a home in a middle class neighborhood. Beyond the economics, though, is a real fear among many Jews that blacks bring to a neighborhood a track record of drugs, violence and blight. Also, there are Jews who resent blacks for failing to recognize the role Jews played not only in the civil rights movement, but in helping to create civil rights organizations that exist to- o community leaders, relations between blacks and Jews are far from simple. Leaders organize meetings over cof- fee and cake, sponsor round- table discussions and debate major sticking points. They have held inter- racial seders, sung gospel hymns together, organized canned food drives, run tutorial programs, sent black teens to Israel and Jewish teens to Senegal. There are literally hun- dreds of programs of black- Jewish interaction across the country. Locally, several syn- agogues have programs aimed at creating a bridge into the black community. But, say some black and Jewish leaders, dialogue and coalition-building are zero-sum games. "In terms of black-Jewish relations, it's a very small thing," said Bill Nabers, president of the Southern Oakland County Chapter of the NAACP. "So far, all we have is just the beginn- ings." Among Jewish leaders, dialogue is a crucial step, albeit a difficult one. "What we really need to do is somehow find a way for those relations to trickle down," said Jeannie Weiner, president of the Jewish Community Coun- cil. Getting positive relations to "trickle down" is one prol;lem, it's not the only one. Dialogue participants, both black and Jewish, complain that arguments frequently tend to repeat themselves. Dialogue leaders lose interest and have to be replaced. Plus, the participants are get- ting older, grayer and less optimistic about the future. Frank Sklarsky, 35, chairs an American Jewish Committee black-Jewish dialogue group. Since fall, the group has yet to meet, and its black co-chairman quit, citing his inability to bring in black participants. Mr. Sklarsky said he is one of the youngest members of the group, and many older participants come wanting to discuss past, not future, cooperation. "I consider it a luxury when we can get a group of blacks to sit down and talk with us," he said. "They have an awfully full platter — schools, the homeless Even when it works, dia- logue groups get hung up on the same issues: why does Israel support South Africa? Why can't the black community silence black anti-Semites like Louis Farrakhan? "We should be realistic about what will happen," said Leon Warshay, a pro- fessor of sociology at Wayne State University. "Blacks, in the final analy- sis, won't care much about Israel." They have held interracial seders, sung gospel hymns together, organized canned food drives, run tutorial programs, sent black teens to Israel and Jewish teens to Senegal. The graying of black- Jewish dialogue — without a younger generation to take up the mantle — is a phenomenon that may have nothing to do with re- lations between the two groups. One Detroit black said that blacks may not want to rely on Jewish — or any white — economic support because of a sense of racial pride. "If you're 23, black and from Detroit, you're going to be bitter," said Ellen Hill of Detroit. "You're go- ing to say: 'I'm taking back the city.' " Ms. Hill, who went to private, mostly white suburban schools all her life, added that Detroit blacks resent suburban whites, especially those perceived as exploiters of the city. Younger blacks believe