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Although the relationship did not progress, his convic- tions remain steadfast. And those convictions seem to be welcomed by women of all ages. "I still believe and like to think that there is a knight on a white horse," said 48- year-old Beverly Katz. A man should hold open a door and help a woman on with her coat, she added. "I don't think there is such a thing as overdoing it or underdoing it," said Ms. While the rules on chiv- alry will always give rise to discussion and re- interpretation among the sexes, guidelines are of- fered by well-known and relatively obscure com- mentators. lb brush up on the skills, manners and rules of chivalry, try some of these titles: Charlotte Ford's Book of Modern Manners by Charlotte Ford; 1980, Si- mon and Schuster. The New Etiquette by Marjabelle Young Stew- ard; 1987, St. Martin's Press, Inc. Miss Manners' Guide To Excruciatingly Cor- rect Behavior by Judith Martin; 1982, Atheneum_ Miss Manners' Guide For The Turn Of The Millenium by Judith Martin; 1989, Pharos Books. For a grounding of how chivalry itself evolved, try : The Knight & Chivalry by Richard Barber; 1970, Charles Scribner's Sons. And if those titles are still not enough, try your friends. They will certain- ly have their own opin- ions. ❑ — Neil Rubin Katz, an office manager for a physician. "It's everyone's own taste." Likewise, Fayne Hacks does not pass final judgment on a person who is not her knight in shining armor. "If somebody doesn't open the door for me, I don't start throwing a tantrum," says the 24-year-old college student. But there is a time when overdoing the politeness frustrates women and is in- terpreted as condescending, Ms. Hacks said. "One time a person was trying to wait on me hand and foot, trying to impress me," she recalled. "I said, `Would you sit down here? You're worse than my grandmother.' It was mak- ing me a nervous wreck." Arthur Sindler, a retired city court clerk, speaks for a senior generation of single adults. The 79-year-old widower said there are formal rules to the dating game — ones that his peers of the opposite sex agree to. "If I were taking a strang- er out, and if she would say yes, I would say, 'All right, I'll pick you up at so and so,' " he said. "And I would take her out to dinner and to a show, and then home. Then I'd say thank you for a pleasant evening." And he laments the pass- ing of certain chivalrous norms. "When I was young and didn't have a car and rode the bus, if the lady was standing up and I was sit- ting down, I would offer her my seat. I would tip my hat," he recalled. "There's nothing wrong with that," he added. "It's just the way things are." On the other end of the age spectrum is Brian Snyder, a 17-year-old junior in high school. He said he likes to let his dates call the shots. "I always do what she wants to do," Mr. Snyder explained. "If she says, 'I want to go to a movie,' then I'll always let her pick it." When all's said and done, it seems that chivalry is not only alive and well, but a welcome component of the dating scene. "Chivalry is basically a name for some very old- fashioned ideas which are still valid," said Flo Fried- man, a self-avowed "women's libber" in her 50s. "You gauge the people that you're with and the sit- uation that you're in," Ms. Friedman said. "It's never outdated to be courteous, which is what chivalry is." ❑