discount{. [gi t•Troa CELLULAR TELEPHONE AGENT 40400 GRAND RIVER (Bet. Haggerty & Meadowbrook) (313) 474.9175 New #600 MITSUBISHI that I've heard and seen no concessions on Mr. Abourezk's part that Jews, because of their history, because of a lot of things, are basically entitled to a secure home in the Middle East. I'd like to hear those words. I haven't heard them in this debate, in this book, or anywhere else. There can be peace in the Middle East. There must be peace in the Middle East. The basic needs of all the peoples there can be satisfied. I don't pretend to be an expert in this area, but Palestinian Arabs are Arabs, with a rich culture and a rich identity of interest among all of them. There would have been peace and harmony and progress for Palestinian Arabs these last forty years, these last seventy years. There could have been; there should have been. I have contended all along that there is no Palestinian Arab state primarily MR. ABOUREZK: What has really happened is that the U.S. government and that segment of the American public that pay attention to Middle East affairs just has had no understanding of Palestinian aspirations. They just don't care about the Palestinians. > because the Arabs of the world did not want an additional, separate Palestinian Arab state. The Jews, the Israelis, for many years could not have, would not have, did not want to stop that from happening. But because other significant things have now happened, the immediate creation of a hostile Palestinian state right next to Israel has caused great concern among the Israelis. I hope that concern can be overcome, not by the kind of angry rhetoric we've seen in this book on the part of a man who believes strongly about it. I regret it very much. But I think we can overcome these dif- ferences, we must overcome these dif- ferences. There is room enough in the Middle East for the existence of a viable Jewish state that's not constantly threatened. There's room for Arab aspira- tions, and specifically Palestinian aspira- tions. I desire that. MR. SHIPLER: Mr. Abourezk, is dialogue fruitful? MR. ABOUREZK: Yes, I think it's definitely fruitful. The big problem with dialogue as it has taken place in the United States is that it's been altogether too one- sided. Mr. Bookbinder talks about hoping that peace breaks out. The unfortunate part about his aspirations for peace is that he is somewhat like the Israeli government which would like to have peace only on their terms, not on anyone else's terms. In other words, let's split off Egypt and make peace with them so they're not a threat to us anymore. Let's split off Jor- dan, let's try them next and see if we can get them out of the way. And then we'll work on Syria after that. Then we don't ever have to worry about the Palestinians once we remove these military powers from the equation. That was basically what was behind Camp David. You just can't say, "Well, I'm hopeful for peace and I hope Mr. Abourezk would not be so angry and would not say all these things." What has really happened is that the U.S. government and that segment of the American public that pays attention to Middle East affairs just has had no understanding of Palestinian aspirations. They just don't care about the Palestinians. lb have Mr. Bookbinder say that not all peoples are entitled to self-determination, to try to ring in the American Indians and the Sikhs in India and the Punjabis and on and on and on, is ridiculous. You're talk- ing here about Palestinians living in oc- cupied land under a military occupation, he's basically trying to say that they're not entitled to their own state. He's saying that he doesn't like the oc- cupation, but it's the best thing we have. He's saying that I won't talk about Israel's right to exist, but what he's really doing is dancing around this whole issue of the Palestinians' right to their own state. He won't come right out and say it, and I know why he won't — because Israel doesn't want a Palestinian state right next door. They just don't want it there, period, and they're going to use every conceivable excuse not to allow it. You can talk from now until next year about our hopes for peace, but unless there is a real dialogue between the P.L.O. and the Israelis, it's not going to happen. And you won't get negotiations when one side is excessively strong and the other is ex- cessively weak, and that's why Israel won't negotiate now. It's incumbent upon the U.S. govern- ment, which gives Israel its strength, to come around and tell Israel that if they don't negotiate, if they don't want to sit down and talk peace with the P.L.O., then U.S. support of Israel will end. It's got to be done that way or it just won't happen at all. ❑ From "Through Different Eyes," copyright 1987 by James Abourezk and Hyman Bookbinder, reprinted by permission of Adler and Adler Publishers, Inc. Now on Sale $1,095.00 Installed HANDS FREE INC. DISCOV,ER FREE WEEKEND Nov. 14th & 15th FREE EXERCISE CLASSES ALL DAY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY Weightlifting • Makeup • Fashions • Diet BODY.. EXERCISE COMPANY Rated "excellent" byDetroit Monthly Magazine, 1987 626-1350 Cruises Only! Ltd & Capelli Colour Studio Corporation Cortina Elkin Travel Inc. Tres Chic Petites Hansel 'n' Gretel Travelers World The Art Show Best Bakery Body. Inc. Carmen's Tommy Schey Marilyn Brooks Colony Interiors Raphael Salon SNIP TRU West Bloomfield 's Newest Fashion Center Orchard Lake Rd. North of Maple T.C.B.Y. Yogurt Kidz Kltrz Victoria's