10 Friday, January 21, 1983

THE DETROIT JEWISH NEWS

Egyptian Sees Envoy's Return
to Israel After Lebanon Pullout

By JUDITH KOHN

CAIRO (JTA) — Foreign
Minister Kamal Hassan Ali
said that Egypt's ambas-
sador to Israel would return
to Tel Aviv as soon as an
agreement was reached on
the withdrawal of Israeli
forces from Lebanon.
In an interview with the
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
the Foreign Minister also
spoke about his scheduled
visit to the United States
next month, where he will
be accompanied by
President Hosni Mubarak.
All said that the Egyptian
side would press the ques-
tion of Israeli settlements in
the West Bank, "as one of
the major points to be raised
with the (Reagan) Adminis-
tration."
The following is an
abridged transcript of the
interview:
Q: Egypt's Minister of
State for Foreign Affairs,
Dr. Boutros Ghali, was
quoted recently as saying
that improved relations
between Egypt and Israel
required that Israel
withdraw from Lebanon,
start peace talks on the
Palestinian issue and
agree to negotiate the fu-
ture of Taba. Does this
mean that the normaliza-
tion process will remain
frozen until all of these
conditions are realized?
A: Well, I would like to
disagree at the beginning
about the normalization
being frozen, because, in
fact, the normalization was
not frozen. For instance,
implementation of the
Egyptian-Israeli treaty is
going on in most of its arti-
cles and in most of its spirit
also. The liaison commis-
sion, the joint Egyptian-
Israeli commission, meets
periodically, as mentioned
in the treaty.

So, officially the normali-
zation has never been af-
fected, except in those areas
where there is a possibility
of affecting the population,
as in the cultural field, for
instance. Of course, you
(couldn't) depend much on
getting a professor from Tel
Aviv University or Ben-
Gurion University in Egypt
during the massacres going
on in Lebanon. We have to
tackle such areas very deli-
cately because we do not
want to affect the normali-
zation.
Q: Do you think the
participation of the
Palestinians (in peace
negotiations) could take
place without the explicit
approval of the PLO, and
do you think that under
such conditions Israel
would agree to negotiate

with the delegation.
A: We have, in this re-
spect, to implement the
framework for peace, and in
this sense it is for the Jor-
danians and the Palesti-
nians to agree together
about the formation of the
delegation.
Q: By the "Palesti-
nians," you are not refer-
ring specifically to the
PLO as an organization?
A: They can agree to that
together. It is not for Egypt
or anybody to urge the West
Bankers or the PLO mem-
bers to insist this or that.
Q: Has communication
between Egypt and Israel
on the Taba dispute
reached a total impasse,
or is there reason to be
optimistic about an early
breakthrough — at least
an agreement on a
negotiating framework
— with the help of U.S.
mediation?
A: I am still optimistic
that our meetings will be
resumed, because it is an ob-
ligation — an Egyptian-
Israeli obligation which was
signed on the 25th of April,
1982 — the day of the final
withdrawal of Israel from
Sinai. And I am quite sure
that both countries are keen
to implement all the agree-
ments, and these meetings
are aiming to start the con-
ciliation, not as negotia-
tions, but the conciliation,
on the Taba issue.
Q: What about more
specific aspects (of dip-
lomatic relations), such
as the return of the Israel
ambassador? Is this
linked up with those
three conditions that Dr.
Ghali had mentioned?
A: No, it is not linked with
the Taba issue. It is not
linked with the normaliza-
tion, but it was linked by
only one incident — that is
the Israeli bombing and
series of massacres in West
Beirut.
Q: Does that mean that
once Israel withdraws
from Lebanon .. .

A: No, once Israel gets to
an agreement with
Lebanon and the United
States on an agreed
schedule for withdrawal,
our ambassador will be back
again to Tel Aviv.
Q: When you travel
(with President Hosni
Mubarak) to the United
States, what will you be
asking of the Reagan
Administration, with re-
spect to its role in helping
to expand the peace
process and in getting Is-
raeli troops out of Leba-
non? Do you expect any
progress to have been
made by the time you go?

A: I think much will de-
pend on the negotiations
which are going on between
Lebanon and Israel, with
the United States for the
time being. So this is one of
the main elements of our
talks in the United States.
Then, of course, the pros-
pects after the (Arab
. League) committee of seven
toured in the U.S. and in the
other countries, and the
visit of King Hussein (or
Jordan) and what are the
perspectives.
Q: Is there anything
specific, though, that
you'll be requesting from
the President in terms of
the U.S. role?
A: Yes. This will be, of
course, the stress on the set-
tlement issue in Israel. This
is one of the major points to
be raised with the Adminis-
tration, because we feel it is
influencing and affecting
the entire peace process and
it is contradictory with
encouraging Jordan and the
Palestinians to participate
in any forthcoming negotia-
tions. So this is one (issue)
and then of course the bi-
laterial relations between
Egypt and the United
States.
Q: The press here has
been expressing disap-
pointment with the U.S.
over its aid package to Is-
rael and for not exerting
adequate pressure on Is-
rael with respect to its
presence in Lebanon and
speeding up the peace
process. Does this reflect
your government's feel-
ing?
A: This matter didn't af-
fect at all our relations with
the United States. It is for
the U.S. to take care of her
responsibilities in the area.

Irwin Landau

Irwin Landau, a self-
employed kosher butcher,
died Jan. 18 at age 78.
Born in Poland, Mr.
Landau was the former
owner of Vikser and Landau
Kosher Meats.
He leaves his wife,
Dorothy; two sons, Milton
and Arthur; a daughter,
Mrs. Thelma Stalburg; a
brother, Aaron; two sisters,
Mrs. David (Rachel) Bodzin
and Mrs. Joseph (Pauline)
Schwartzberg of Cleveland,
Ohio; and nine grandchil-
dren.

A. W. Fleischer

NEW YORK — Andrew
W. Fleischer, who contrib-
uted to the development of
the modern stethoscope and
the blood-pressure monitor-
ing device, died Jan. 11 at
age 101.

Albert Wolgin

Albert Wolgin, a regis-
tered electrologist with
offices in Detroit, died Jan.
13. He was 72.
A native Detroiter, Mr.
Wolgin was a member of
Adat Shalom Synagogue, a
past president and current
treasurer and trustee of
Zager-Stone Lodge of Bnai
Brith, and was active in ef-
forts on behalf of the Bnai
Brith Youth and Services
Appeal and the Juvenile
Diabetes 'Association.
Mr. Wolgin also held
membership in Perfection
Lodge of the Masons. He
was a veteran of World War
II Air Corps.
He leaves his wife, Edith;
a son, Dennis; a daughter,
Leta; two sisters, Mrs. Jack
(Betty) Davidson and Mrs.
Ben (Gertrude) Hass of
California; and two grand-
children.

John Schnaar

John Schnaar, a former
Detroit furrier, died Jan. 18
in Silver Spring, Md. He
was 90.
Mr. Schnaar established
his John Schnaar Furrier
salons in Detroit in 1924. At
the time of his death, he was
still active in the business.
While in Detroit, he was a
member of the Temple Beth
El. He was active in Bnai
Brith in Silver Spring.
He is survived by his wife,
Minna; two sons, Mitchell
and Herbert, both of South-
field; a daughter, Josephine
Schlesinger of Los Angeles,
Calif.; six grandchildren
and 11 great-grandchil-
dren. Interment Silver
Spring.

Bella Lipset

Bella F. Lipset, a member
of Jewish and communal
organizations, died Jan. 18
at age 90.
Born in Russia, Mrs. Lip-
set was a member of Hadas-
sah, Pioneer Women/
Naamat, Saturday Night
Social Club, Monday Night
Club and Tuesday Night
Club.
She leaves two daughters,
Mrs. Donald (Miriam) Bar-
ris and Mrs. Oscar (Beat-
rice) Hertz; a sister, Mrs.
Frances Finston of New
York; five grandchildren
and nine great-grandchil-
dren.

Harry Black

Harry Black, owner of
Roll-a-Wile Recreation in
Detroit, died Jan. 14 at age
82.
Born in Poland, Mr. Black
owned his bowling alley
from 1948 until 1964. He
was a member of Henry
Morgenthau Lodge of Bnai
Brith.
He leaves his wife, Ethel;
one brother, two sisters and
one grandson.

Lansky Buried in Florida

MIAMI BEACH (JTA) —
Meyer Lansky, an acknowl-
edged financial wizard and
one-time reputed czar of or-
ganized crime in the U.S.
and many points overseas,
was buried in Miami Beach
Sunday in a simple Or-
thodox service attended by
family and friends. He was
81.
According to federal
authorities and other law
enforcement agencies, Mr.
Lansky master-minded the
finances of the vast, legen-
dary underworld network
known collectively as the
Mafia.
He was associated, during
his long life with such con-
victed racketeers as Charles
"Lucky" Luciano and Ben-
jamin "Bugsy" Siegel, both
boyhood chums, "Dutch"
Schultz, Al Capone and
Louis "Lepke" Buchalter,
the "hit man" of the notori-
ous "Murder Inc."
But although linked to
illicit gambling and other
forms of vice, Mr. Lansky
was never convicted of a
serious crime. He went to
jail only once — a two-
month sentence in 1953
on a gambling conviction
in Saratoga, N.Y.
He became an interna-
tional cause celebre when
his retirement in Israel in
1970 touched off a 26-month

Bertha Sherman

Bertha Sherman, a re-
tired registered nurse, died
Jan. 16 at age 72.
Born in Steelton, Pa.,
Mrs. Sherman lived 32
years in the Detroit area. A
resident of Trenton, Mich.,
Mrs. Sherman was a
member of Cong. Beth Isaac
of Trenton, and was a past
president of the Handler
Chapter of Bnai Brith. She
was a member of the Michi-
gan and Pennsylvania
Nurses Associations.
She leaves her husband,
Philip; three sisters, Mrs.
Rose Wetstein of New York,
Mrs. Edna Ruskin of
Alexandria, Va., and Mrs.
Sarah Zemsky of New York.

Jew-Baiter -
Dead in Prague

LONDON — The Inter-
national Council of Jews
from Czechoslovakia has
received reports that a
notorious Czech Jew-baiter,
Jiri Bohatka, has died in
Prague.

Bohatka, a member of the
Czech secret police, was re-
sponsible for the "anti-
Zionist campaign" in Czech
newspapers. He was be-
lieved to be the source of the
falsehood that Zionists in
the Tereizin concentration
camp cooperated with the
Nazis.

legal battle. Mr. Lansky
claimed that as a Jew,
under the Law of Return, he
was entitled to citizenship
and a permanent haven in
the Jewish state.
The Israeli Supreme
Court thought otherwise,
ruling that he was not
entitled to citizenship be-
cause he was a "danger to
public safety." The Israelis
apparently did not want to
onus of harboring an al-
leged international crimi-
nal.
He was arrested on his re-
turn to the United States on
charges of tax evasion, but a
judge ruled, on the basis of
medical evidence, that he
was too ill to stand trial.
Mr. Lansky was born
Maier Suchowljansky in
Grodno, Russia, and was
brought to the United
States by his parents in
1911.

Leila Corn

Leila E. Corn, executive
secretary to four judges in
the Juvenile Division of
Wayne County Probate
Court, died Jan. 19 at age
87.
Born in New York, Miss
Corn lived 68 years in De-
troit. She retired in 1960.
She was a life member of
Hadassah and the National
Council of Jewish Women.
She leaves four sisters,
Mrs. Emanuel (Katherine)
Liebschutz, Mrs. Nathan
(Irene) Fierberg, Mrs.
Harry (Florence) Shuman
and Mrs. Samuel (Roslyn)
Green; nieces, nephews,
grandnieces and grand-
nephews, great-grand-
nieces and great-grand-
nephews. Services 2 p.m.
today at Ira Kaufman
Chapel.

Vivian Freedman

Vivian E. Freedman,
fund coordinator for the
Jewish Welfare Federation,
died Jan. 17 age 92.
Born in Grand Rapids,
Mrs. Freedman lived 60
years in Detroit. She was a
member of Temple Beth El
and past president of its sis-
terhood. She was a 40-year
volunteer for the Red Cross.
She leaves a daughter-
in-law, Mrs. Dorothy Gould;
four grandchildren and two
great-grandsons.

Joseph Morris

Joseph C. Morris, a chem-
ical engineer for Shell Oil
Co., died Jan. 16 at age 83.
Bbrn in Detroit, Mr. Mor-
ris was a member of Cong.
Bnai David and Temple
Emanuel in New York.
He leaves a daughter,
Mrs. Barry (Judith) Gray of
New York; two sisters, Rose
Saper and Zelle; and one
niece.

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