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materialized. Among them
was the President's reply to
a question regarding the
role of King Hussein of Jor-
dan. The President's reply:
"As you know, under
the Camp David Accords,
as signed by all three
heads- of state, including
myself, we call for Jor-
dan to join the Camp
David negotiations in two
phases: the first phase is
the one that's going on
now, which would estab-
lish the self-governing
authorities, in effect, and
it is a very difficult but
very important element.
"And then following the
establishment of that self-
governing authority, there
would be a period of five
years under the self-
governing authority during
which Israel and Jordan
and the Palestinian Arabs
who live in the West
Bank-Gaza area, will join in
the negotiations to deter-
mine the permanent status
' of the West Bank and Gaza
area.
"I will certainly encour-
age King Hussein to join in
these talks as soon as it's
possible for him to agree to
do so. This has been our
position since the Camp
David Agreement was
reached. I can't speak for
him. His position has not
been one ofcooperation on
the Camp David Accords so
far. One of the reasons that
he states is that he was not
adequately consulted before
the terms of the Camp
David Accords were reached
by me and Begin and Sadat,
and therefore, this is an im-
posed agreemeht demand-
ing that he join the talks
when he was not involved in
the decision itself.
"But this will be the first
time I've met personally
with King Hussein since
Camp David, and I'll use all
the persuasive power that I
have to encourage him
within the bounds of his
own decisions, of course --
he represents an indepen-
dent nation — to be con-
structive in bringing about
a comprehensive peace, and
I'll try to convince him that
the best procedure for doing
this is in accordance with
the Camp David Accords it-
self."
The futility of the
President's task on that
score became evident
during the two days of
Hussein's visit here. He
will be on "Issues and
Answers" Sund"ay and
little is anticipated from
the pleadings with him to
join the peace talks.
While the decisions of the
European Economic Com-
munity giving credibility to
the PLO, had not yet been
fully known, the anticipa-
tion of it was in this ques-
tion addressed to President
Carter which is followed by
the President's response:
"Mr. President, at the
United Nations, our
representative vetoed
once, abstained three
times in the last few
weeks, matters relating
to Israel and the Middle

East. Now we had in that
process complete opposi-
tion from the interna-
tional community includ-
ing Scandinavian coun-
tries, England and
France. What hope is
there of receiving some
sort of cooperation from
the international com-
munity in behalf of a
mutual resolution of the
various issues in the
Middle East?"
The President: "You've
described the situation
accurately. The best hope
that I can see is demon-
strable progress under
the Camp David process.
One of the reasons why
there's such an absence
of support for Israel's
position is that many of
the former friends and al-
lies of Israel don't think
that the Camp David
talks are going to suc-
ceed.
"To the extent that we
make progress, those
European nations — the
Scandinavian countries
and others — I think will
come back to a more bal-
anced approach to the
question. And if we can
ever get the Palestinian
Arabs and the refugees
represented in the talks
through the West Bank
mayors, the Gaiza mayors
and others, I think this
will alleviate tension
considerably and not
only will stop the rash of
UN resolutions, but also
will strengthen support
for a balanced decision
on those matters.
"So, I would say, to an-
swer your question,
demonstrated progress
on the Camp David Ac-
cords, which we have
reached at Camp David
itself and with the
Mideast peace talks, is
the best solution to the
problem."
Here, again, there is
ground for pessimism.
Worse, however, was the
President's strong insistent
declaration branding set-
tlements as illegal, drawing
upon the sad role of the
former U.S. ambassador to
the UN Arthur Goldberg as
having supported an
American position that is
viewed as difficult for Is-
rael. On that score the tran-
script of the editors' meet-
ing with the President
reads:
"In'1967, Israel liberated
Judea and Samaria and the
Israel government started
its settlements in that area.
My question is, why do you
call these settlements il-
legal and what court-or in-
ternational body made this
ruling on- which you base
your statement?"
The President: "We con-
sider these settlements in
the context of the Geneva
Convention, that occupied
territories should not be
changed by the establish-
ment of permanent settle-
ments by the occupying
power. The ultimate status
of the West Bank and Gaza
area will be determined in
accordance with the agree-
ment reached at Camp

David through negotiations would say the primary
after the self government is choice of the outposts would
installed in the West Bank be with Israel.
"We discussed at Camp
and Gaza.
"We have long main- David, along with Weizman
tained this position and Dayan and Prime
under the administration Minister Begin the possible
of previous Presidents location of those outposts
back at least 15 years: and the possible level of
that the establishment of military forces to be
settlements in that area stationed there, but no deci-
was contrary to progress sion was made. The tenta-
toward a comprehensive tive places and figures put
peace. I discussed this at forward by the military
length, as you can well leaders seem to be generally
imagine, with Prime acceptable. If Israel pro-
Minister Begin and posed a location or a serie,
others in the Israeli gov- of locations that was not ac.
ceptable, then Israel would
ernment.
"They obviously have a not have to agree to the
difference of opinion. And overall settlement.
there's a strong difference of
"I would say that the
opinion, I might say, within basic presumption would
Israel itself about whether be that Israel would
there should be a cessation make their choices and
of the construction of addi- the basic presumption is
tional settlements until a that within the
peace agreement is reached. framework of a com-
This is a- very disturbing prehensive settlement to
matter for the Egyptians be decided by Jordan
and for others that would and the Palestinian
have to join in with Israel Arabs and others, that
on a comprehensive peace those choices would be
agreement.
approved, but no one can
"We have not changed the . take that away from Is-
American policy since the rael as the prime one."
time when Arthur Goldberg
"May I follow up on that,
was a delegate to the United
Mr. President, please? It
Nations and when UN 242 could be possible, of course,
was hammered out, we re-
and it has been the practice
peated this policy on our of the Israeli government,
part. We have encouraged present and past, to estab-
the Israelis to restrain lish settlements on the West
themselves on the estab- Bank for security pur-
lishment of settlements.
poses."
The President: "I know
"I- might pant out that
within the Camp David Ac- that."
"And a civilian settle-
cords, and I wish all of you
would re-read the text be- ment could be for security as
cause this is the text we fol- well as a military main out-
low meticulously, that was post. Therefore, isn't it
approved by Prime Minister possible and legal, even
Begin himself, that does call under the Geneva Conven-
for the establishment of Is- tion — and Israelis, many of
raeli security posts at them, think that the opposi-
specified locations to make tion to settlements is a polit-
sure that Israel does have ical issue and not a legal
adequate protection against issue— but apart from that,
any sort of outside invasion just a civilian settlement
and that can be forward- also could be considered
based troops as determined military. Would you then
by Israel and others which agree that it is worthwhile
would protect Israel in case for Israel to establish set-
of an invasion. That's our tlements on the West Bank
basic policy. It has not for defense purposes?"
"The President: "In my
changed for many, many
opinion, the establish-
years."
Adding to the anxieties ment of additional Israeli
that have arisen is the posi- settlements on the West
tion outlined by the Bank is not necessary. It
President in response to a is an obstacle to peace
question addressed to him because it creates very
by JTA and Jewish News serious problems in
Washington correspondent reaching a comprehen-
Joseph Polakoff:
sive agreement. In my
"Mr. President, may I opinion, the Camp David
take you back to an ear- Accords signed by Prime
lier statement you made, Minister Begin and
that military outposts President Sadat and my-
will be, and I quote, 'to be self prescribe an
determined by Israel and adequate commitment
Israel's security, that
others.' "
that military government
The President: "Yes."
"Who else, besides Israel, will be withdrawn and
is to determine Israel's se- that security posts at
curity on the West Bank, agreed locations will be
and the second part of the established.
"We have not demanded
question is . ."
The President: "The from Israel that any settle-
phrase that's used in the ments be dismantled. We
Camp David Accords is have requested from Prime
`specified location,' and the Minister Begin and others
presumption there is that that some establishment of
Israel would make pro- new settlements be ceased
posals about where those until after an agreement
outposts were to be made, could be reached in order to
and if there is a comprehen- expedite the process. Israel
sive settlement, the others disagrees. Their govern-
would be involved, but I , ,"(Continued on Page 21)

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