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January 05, 1979 - Image 22

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The Detroit Jewish News, 1979-01-05

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THE DETROIT JEWISH NEWS

Friday, January 5, 1919

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A Dialogue on the Status of the City of Jerusalem

(Editor's note: The fol-
lowing is part of a public
dialogue between Mayor
Teddy Kollek of
Jerusalem and Rabbi
William Berkowitz,
president of the Jewish
National Fund.)
Mr.
BERKOWITZ:
Mayor, what has been the
relationship of the Arab

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world to Jerusalem, in par- on the Temple Mount if they
observe the mitzvot. And
ticular before 1967?
KOLLEK: Today it is certainly we are not permit-
very unimportant whether ted to build a TeMple. A
Mohammed actually came Temple has already been
during his night ride to built; it is in Heaven and is
Jerusalem and then from waiting up there for the
there to Heaven or not. The Messiah to arrive, for when
fact is that Moslems have He does arrive, it will come
believed that for several down in its appropriate
hundred years. Hence, the place without much consid-
Moslems that live there re- eration, I may add, not even
iard it as a holy place, and for the building codes or
licenses that the City of
they regard it as their city.
For the Arab, the attach- Jerusalem is issuing.
One way or the other,
ment is obvious, being a
religious as well as a na- there's a distinct compe-
tional one. Now, of course, tition between us and the
this stands in some competi- Arabs vis-a-vis the Tem-
tion to our Jewish attach- ple Mount. And the at-
ment; in a physical sense, tachment of the Arabs is
particularly as far as the a long one, and it's a reli-
TeMple Mount is concerned. gious one. It is impossible
However, we are in a for an observant Moslem
comparatively good position to agree that a holy place
because of one reason. Ac- should not be part of the
cording to our tradition, realm of Islam, or of the
Jews are not allowed to go God of Islam. We have to
find a solution for our-
selves as to how we can
live with this, or what to
do to alter it, and how
Arabs can live with this.

tell them that they are
damn fools who haven't
done their homework. Let
me explain. In 1947 the Vat-
ican suggested inter-
nationalization of the Holy
City. In that year an inter-
national committee would
have been appointed and it
would have been mainly a
committee consisting of
people who came from coun- .
tries who had some back-
ground connected with
monasteries, with religion,
and in a wider sense, with
the things for which
Jerusalem stood.
If today an international
committee would be, ap-
pointed, it would consist of
people from the Third World
who even if they wouldn't
choose Idi Amin, neverthe-
less, on the whole, are not
too nice people. There cer-
tainly wouldn't be a Chris-
tian' majority on this and
therefore for quite some
years the Vatican has not
repeated this suggestion of
internationalization of
Jerusalem. So, the Chris-

observed that a crucial
principle toward progress is
free reign of Arabs and
Christians in their respec-
tive sections. How do you
envision this?
KOLLEK: I believe that
one day we'll run the city
divided into boroughs. To be
honest, we have a difference
of opinion in Jerusalem on
this. There are Jews who
say that if we had boroughs
today this would be the first
step toward dividing the
city again. I'm of a different
0, inion.

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Teddy Kollek, left, and Rabbi William Berkowitz.
BERKOWITZ: How do tians are not interested.

you respond to those who
argue that the most practi-
cal solution to the
Jerusalem question is in the
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And we certainly aren't in-
terested. Even the Arabs
are not interested.
BERKOWITZ: Mr. Kol-
lek, you've said that several
crucial principles have
emerged that will lead
towards progress. One is
"free access to the holy
places." What do you mean
by this?
KOLLEK: As you know
in 1948 when the Armistice
was signed, we were sup-
posed to have free access to
Mount Scopus, to the He-
brew University and
Hadassah Hospital there,
and free access to the West-
ern Wall. But it didn't come
about.
I don't say it was out of a
malicious desire not to carry
out the Armistice Agree-
ment. Rather I don't think
that any Jordanian gov-
ernment had the guts to do
this; it's just that they felt
that it wouldn't be popular
and all kinds, of trouble
would come from it. So they
didn't do it.
But since 1967 we ,have
carried this out. We have
every year 150,000 visitors
who come from Arab coun-
tries, residents of Arab -
countries who come across
the bridges and can visit
their holy places freely, and
there will be another
150,000, 180,000, 250,000,
300,000. Certainly the
Christians come too in great
numbers and have free ac-
cess to their holy places. So
this is being Parried out
fully, for the first time,
under Israeli rule.
BERKOWITZ: You also

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